Ted Z - EPDG?

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Posted By: RayB

Ted - I crashed my computer and lost some files including my list of known EPDG Back T206's. Can you shoot me a copy of your latest update.
Thanks so much.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Just saw your post and will display the list as soon as I update it.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

As of 5/15/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 272


Abbaticcio (brn slv)
Abbaticcio (blu slv)......460 series
Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)......460 series
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bell (fol thru)......460 series
Bender (port)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catch).......460 series
Berger
Bescher (hds up)......460 series
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (cap)........460 series
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)......460 series
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)
Crandall (cap)........460 series
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Dahlen (Boston)
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore............460 series
Donlin (seat)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Evers (Chi-bat)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford..........460 series
Freeman
Frill..........460 seris
Fromme
Gandil..........460 series
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer..........460 series
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Hemphill
Herzog (NY)
Herzog (Bos)........460 series
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard (Chi)
Howell (hands)......460 series
Hummell..............460 series
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitch)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Krause (port)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball-St Louis)
Lake (ball-St Louis)........460 series
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lobert
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee (bat)
Marquard (hds down)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McGraw (port-cap)........460 series
McIntyre (Bro/Chi)
McLean
Meyers (port).........460 series
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)........460 series
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham..........460 series
Nichols (batting)
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat).......460 series
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Overall (blue sky)......460 Series
Owen
Payne...............460 series
Pfeffer..............460 series
Pfeister (sit)
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest)
Rhoades (throw)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schmidt (throw)
Schulte (back).......460 series
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (St Louis)
Sheckard (throw)......460 series
Shipke
Smith (Brooklyn)........460 series
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)........460 series
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Tinker (bat on).....460 Series
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat.............460 series
White (Buff)
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throw)
Wilson
Wiltse (port-no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
Wright
CYoung (port)
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman


TED Z

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Ted

you can add Dunn Baltimore to your list.

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Posted By: Rob D.

Thanks, Ted! Great stuff, as usual.

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Posted By: Brian E.

Digging up an old thread here....

I didn't think it was possible but it looks like a T206 Ty Cobb Green portrait with EPDG back does indeed exist. One of the major auction houses has one up and its in a SGC holder.

Brian E.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN E

Although this card is graded....I'd be suspicious of it. To date, no such front/back combo has been seen for the Green Cobb.

I hope our resident expert on Detroit T206's, Art Martineau, will chime in on this one.

Also, I think you'll get more of a response to your post, by starting a new thread titled "Green Cobb with EPDG back ? ?"

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Brian,
That sounds interesting.... Please email me a link of the auction.

Talk to you soon. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Brian E.

Yeah, I'm equally skeptical. I was hoping one of you two (Ted or Brian W.) might chime in!

As for starting a new thread...I'm a little hesitant because I don't want to out the auction if the card is for real.

Link to auction sent to Ted and Brian W.


Brian E.

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Posted By: David R

Ted,

I also have the Magee portrait with an EPDG back.

David R.

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Posted By: Jim VB

Brian E,

Not to worry. You can't possibly "out" an auction from "The Fastest Growing Auction House in the Hobby!".

They send their catalogs to all of us.

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Posted By: Brian E.

Well there ya go, auction is almost outed!

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Posted By: ChiSoxFan

Ted,

Don't know if you want to add Dolly Gray to the list. There is one for sale in an eBay store that is PSA graded. However, the slip does not have the back listed and there is no scan of the back.

Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350069338863

ChiSoxFan

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Posted By: sagard

For those of us who find this topic interesting, but can't stay on top of every argument a couple of questions.

1) Can you layout the reasons the Green Cobb was not considered possible with the EPDG? Or was it simply it had not been seen before?

2) Is the concern that we might be seeing a rebacked card with a trim to hide the evidence?

3) Doesn't SGC usually post on the flip why a card won't grade?

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Posted By: Brian E.

SAGARD:



I will do my best to answer your questions but there are those way more knowledgeable on T206 backs and possible combinations than myself.



1) To my knowledge the Cobb Green portrait with EPDG back has not been seen before and I did not think it is possible because the Green Cobb only appears as a 150 series, an earlier series. EPDG came out later thus not possible for the Green Cobb. Same goes for the Cobb Bat On. EPDG is seen in the Cobb Red and Cobb Bat Off (I own one and used to own the other).



2) T206 Cobbs have been rebacked before and been erroneously graded by PSA and/or SGC. If the Green Cobb is not believed to be possible and PSA/SGC has screwed up before, I am concerned it might be rebacked and missed by a grader.



3) I don't think SGC annotates why a card is given an Authentic label, at least they didn't used to.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN E

Having looked at the scan of this Cobb, two things struck me......it is perfectly centered and its borders look
somewhat wider than most T206's. However........

(1)....Green Cobb cards are mostly off-center.

(2)....This card is graded AUTH. (perhaps, due to trimming ?)....but, you couldn't tell that by its wider borders.


Now, someone asked...."Or was it simply it had not been seen before?"......
Yes, serious and knowledgeable long time T206 set collectors have not seen this front/back combo. However,
that in itself is not proof that this combo does not exist. Another 150/350 series card, Carl Lundgren (Cubs),
is seldom seen with an EPDG back. In 26 years, when I first acquired this Lundgren (EPDG) card, I have only
seen one other Lundgren (EPDG).

Anyhow, when American Litho. started printing the 150 series cards with 350 series backs, the 1st two Assor-
ted backs were the EPDG and the OLD MILL brands. The Green Cobb was printed with very few 350 backs.
The only confirmed 350 backs are Piedmont 350, Sweet Caporal 350 (Fac. 30), and OLD MILL.

So, it remains to be seen if this Cobb was printed with an EPDG back ?


TED Z

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Posted By: sagard

Thanks guys. It would be nice if the auction company put up a really nice scan of the card.

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Posted By: Jim VB

I don't think their scans are so bad, but you'll never be able to tell from any scan if it's been rebacked.

I think the should offer an explanation as to why it's only "authentic." SGC may not indicate it as such on the flip, but they would have told the original submitter.

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Posted By: Brian

We appreciate all the input that has been received from the board members. We have contacted Memory Lane and as of 5 PM EST, the item has been pulled from the sale. They were gracious enough to work with us to proactively address the situation. Per our guarantee, we will review the card and remove it from the market if deemed to be rebacked.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to call me at the number below.

Brian Dwyer
SGC
1-800-742-9212 x114

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Posted By: Jim VB

Memory Lane? Did we say Memory Lane?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Please keep us informed of your findings upon examination of this T206 Cobb.

There are several of us T206 "junkies" that are very curious about this front/back combo....
that we have never seen in at least 30 years of collecting.

Thanks,

TED Z