Need your help in classifying a strip card

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Posted By: Neal

I picked up a strip card from a fellow board member a few weeks ago. Thinking it was a W516. I am looking through my 2006 SCD and can't seem to figure out which strip it is exactly? Is it W516-1,W516-1-2 or a W516-2-2

Your help is appreciated always!

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Posted By: Zinn

W516-1-2 Speaker No. 5

W516-2-2 Speaker No. 6

So it's W516-1-2

Edit:

Can't be W516-1 as the IFC Symbol not backwards on the W516-1

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Posted By: daryle

Isn't that a W516-1-2? Speaker is card #5 in the W516-1-2 set. Card #6 in the W516-2-2 set. Also, the IFC is backwards and it is in black,red and yellow color tones



Beat me to it:-)

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Posted By: David Bowden

Is that a 5 in the bottom right? If so it is a W516-1 according to Old Carboard.
David

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Posted By: Andy

It's difficult to say, with the missing ink, if that is a 5 or a 6. But the reversed (c) symbol tells us that the card is a W516-2-2.

Zinn, You may have meant to say -2-2 as there is not a W516-1-2 designation, so it is not that.

I will say that the number does look a lot like it is a 5 and that would suggest that the card is actually a fake.

Thanks,

Andy

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Posted By: Zinn

Andy:

My SCD (2006) on page 526 has a W516-1-2. Speaker is number 5.

W516-2-2 appears on page 527 and Speaker is number 6.

Both have the IFC symbol reversed.

W516-1 that also appears on page 526 has a number 5 Speaker BUT has a correct IFC symbol.

Maybe the SCD is wrong?

Zinn

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Posted By: David Bowden

Now I'm confused (actually I was long before this post.) The card I scanned below is supposed to be a W516-2-2. According to the Old Cardboard site it is a W516-2-1 because of the type. Who is correct Old Cardboard or SGC?

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Posted By: Zinn

That is a W516-2-1.

Number in lower left corner. Reversed IFC symbol.

W516-2-2 has the number in the lower right hand corner.

Both are number 3.

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Posted By: Zinn

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Thiese sets are broken up into two different categories based 1st on the checklists. The Speaker will be #5 in all sets under "W516-1" umbrella, and will be #6 in all sets under W516-2 umbrella. The second thing that determines category is the IFC/IFS symbol and font type used.

W516-1-1 (mistakenly listed as simply W516-1 in 2007 book) and W516-2-3 have IFS/IFC symbol correct.
W516-1-2, W516-2-1, and W516-2-2 have IFC/IFS symbol reversed.

W516-1-1, W516-1-2, and W516-2-2 have hand written font
W516-2-1 and W516-2-3 have serif font.

The Speaker is from W516-1-2 and the Johnson is W516-2-1
-Rhett

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Posted By: Zinn

Thanks Rhett

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Posted By: Andy

Yes, thank you Rhett. I am always happy to be corrected when I think I know more than I do. I had a feeling I would be corrected in this thread.

So there are five different W516 "types"? This forum always teaches me something.

edited to add: My apologies Zinn.

Thanks,

Andy

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Posted By: boxingcardman

This series of strips has a parallel boxing series (W529). Since Burdick didn't bother to split the subtypes and no one else did either, I did it and numbered the subsets consecutively rather than subdividing by types. The variants I can confirm are:

Type 1: IFC symbol correct, numbered starting at 1, handwritten legend
Type 2: IFC symbol reversed (i.e., image flipped), numbered same as Type 1, handwritten legend
Type 3: IFC symbol reversed, numbers reversed (i.e, card #1 is now card #10), handwritten legend
Type 4: IFC Symbol correct, numbered starting at 50, typeset legend
Type 5: IFC symbol reversed, numebering same, typset legend
Type 6: IFC Symbol reversed, numbering reversed, typset legend

There are also a ton of color variations, shading variations, etc. It is by far the most complex set of boxing strips and I have no reason to believe that the baseball cards aren't just as confusing and complex.

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Posted By: Neal

I THANK YOU ALL!

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Posted By: S Gross

Let us not forget the "Reverse Image -- No Number"




.... ain't strips fun

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Posted By: Zinn

[glchen]

Using the above logic, is this Speaker I just picked up a W516-2-2? Thanks!

[rhettyeakley]

Nope, it is actually W516-2-1

serif font is only found on the W516-2-1 & W516-2-3, both would have Speaker as #6 but since the IFC symbol is backwards that makes it W516-2-1.

Confusing, I know
-Rhett

[glchen]

Thanks, Rhett. Appreciate it.