Top Ten Prewar

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

What do you guys think is the top 10 pre-war cards for the collector. I'm not discussing the cards with the most investment potential, I'd like to :hear from collectors, give me your list of the top 10 pre-war. These cards can be ones that you have or would like to have. Here's my list (in no particular order):

A) 1932 U.S. Caramel Fred Lindstrom

B) T207 Buck Weaver

C) T206 Honus Wagner

D) M101-4 Babe Ruth

E) T206 Ed Plank

F) 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #53

G) 1914 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson

H) T-3 Turkey Red Vic Willis

I) 1941 Play Ball Pee Wee Reese

J) E90-1 Mike Mitchell

From the above list, do you think there are any cards that you think do not belong.

Peter

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Posted By: barrysloate

Why is the Turkey Red of Willis on this list? Is it more signficant than a Just So of Cy Young, for example?

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Posted By: Cat

Peter:

Why m101-4 Ruth versus M101-5?

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Posted By: Paul

This is fun:

1914 Baltimore Ruth
1893 Just So Cy Young
W600 Burkett
G&B Al Spaulding
Cabanas Pete Hill
1869 Peck & Snyder Reds
Red Stocking Cigar Radbourn
N142 Delahanty
N173 Ewing & Mascot
E94 Cy Young - violet

If you asked me tomorrow, I might swap the bottom 3 for something else.

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Posted By: peter chao

Barry,

The Turkey Reds are just a beautiful set and I like Vic Willis because he belongs to the Hall of the Very Good. But Just So is a nice set also.

Peter

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Posted By: Steve M.

While there are several on your list that I would take exception to your T207 Weaver selection will be highlighted. The 1911 Zeenut; 1911 d310 Pacific Coast Biscuit; 1911 Obak (regular issue and Premium); and e100 Bishop are all higher on my Weaver list than the T207. In fact all are on my Top 10 list.

The balance of my list is:

1915 Zeenut Williams
1915 Zeenut Risberg
1915 Zeenut McMullin
Any HOF e107
T210 Jackson

No T206 Wagner nor Plank. They are just too common for my taste.

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

Out of all the HOF T3's, I don't understand the Willis selection either. He's actually one of, if not the least desirable HOFer in the set among collectors.

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Posted By: peter chao

Cat,

The M101-4 is Babe's recognized Rookie Card, although I do like his pose in the M101-5.

Peter

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Posted By: barrysloate

Paul- if you are going to include an N173 I think Connie Mack and Ed Delahanty are the gold standard of Old Judge cabinets.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

If I could choose to own only one baseball card it would be the Anson in uniform N172.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

I'd want to throw in a Cap Anson in Uniform N172 here, and a Mathewson E107 there....


Edited to say, "Aw Crap Dan", I hate being late

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Posted By: Paul

Barry,

I know the Mack and Delahanty are more valuable, and I was even thinking of listing that incredible N173 Kelly Portrait. But I decided to just list the cards that I subjectively wanted the most, with the idea being I could never sell them. (Otherwise Wagner would be No. 1 -- I'd sell it and buy what I want). I really like the Ewing with Mascot, so I listed that one.

I really did try to make my list independent of card value. The first seven on my list are ultra-pricey, but that's only because a lot of people apparently have the same taste as me.

Edited to add -- I really might like to add the Holsum Bread Joe Jackson to my list.

Paul

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Posted By: JimB

I agree with others that the Just So Cy Young, N172 Anson in uniform should be there. I also think the T206 Cobb/Cobb back and our own moderator dude's Four Base Hits Kelly should be on the list.
JimB

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Vic Willis went into the HOF in 1995...

Ten pre war cards I'd like to have, that I don't have, based on my desire, not the card's value:

T210 Old Mill series 6 Angermeier fielding
T210 Old Mill series 6 Barney
T210 Old Mill series 6 Goostree leaning on bat
T210 Old Mill series 6 Whitaker
T210 Old Mill series 8 Joe Jackson
T206 H Wagner
T206 E Plank
T206 Magie
N173 Harry Wright
E137 1915 Zeenut Fred McMullin

I think I could afford the first 4, if I could ever find them for sale... and a fellow just isn't going to put the Black Sox together without that 1915 Zeenut.

These aren't the ten most valuable pre war cards. But "most valuable" wasn't the question, now, was it? I'd rather have the T3 of Rhodes, than the T3 Willis. But either would be a nice card!

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Posted By: Andrew

In no particular order based on a combination of rarity, significance, value, and most importantly what I like:

Zeenut - Thorpe
U.S. Caramel - Lindstrom
Just So - Young
(for simplicity) T206 - "key" cards
George Miller - Andrews
T3 Cobb
Old Mill - Jackson
Baltimore - Ruth
N162 - Beecher (football)
Peck & Snyder

...to difficult of a question. :--)

“A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.” - English Proverb

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Posted By: fkw

Im not going into the 19th Century, since they would dominate the list IMO.

#1 1914 Balt News Ruth
#2 1909 Cabanas Pete Hill
#3 T210 Jackson
#4 1910 Punch Cobb
#5 T4 Weaver
#6 Tango Eggs Cobb
#7 Pebble Beach DiMaggio
#8 E271 Wagner
#9 T208 Plank
#10 T215 Pirate Johnson
#10.5 D380 Cobb

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Posted By: Joann

Just out of curiosity, why does the Cabanas Pete Hill show up on two lists? I knew the set itself is scarce, but didn't really know any cards within the set were particularly desireable or tough.

J

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Posted By: fkw

Only 1 is known and Pete Hill is a Hall of Famer. Anyone who collects a card of every HOFer needs it.

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Posted By: peter chao

fkw,

Okay, Vic Willis got into the Hall of Fame in 1995 through the old veterans committee. Frankly, I didn't even notice that he snuck in through the backdoor. But Pete Hill I'm pretty sure is not a member of the Hall of Fame. So once again, what makes the Cabanas Pete Hill special.

Peter

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Posted By: Griffin's

Pete Hill was elected in 2006.
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/lists/alph.htm

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Posted By: Max Weder

Peter

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/Hill_Pete.htm

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Posted By: peter chao'

Max, Griffin

I stand corrected on Pete Hill. I guess I didn't pay that much attention to the the special committee when they failed to elect Buck O'Neill.

Peter

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Posted By: JimB

In no particular order.

Just So Cy Young
N172 Anson in uniform
T206 Wagner
T206 Plank
T206 Cobb/Cobb back
T210 Joe Jackson
Baltimore News Babe Ruth
1933/4 Goudey Lajoie
1914/15 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
Four Base Hits Kelley


I am probably forgetting some great cards, but these would be a good sampling in my book. And I have not even put any E cards in the list. Shame on me.
JimB


Edited for spelling and to add:

Any N167 HOF

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Posted By: leon

If the question were, which 10 vintage cards would I most like to have the answer would be (I realize I own a few)...again these are "my" best collection picks...and many others could be sub'd in and fit nicely....

In no particular order as they will all be great....

M-Unc 1914 Baltimore Ruth
N690 Four Base Hits Kelley
N172 Anson in Uniform
N-Unc Just So Young
T206 Wagner (it's the aura and pose)
T210 Jackson
T231 Fans Cigarettes Baker (not in value but still a "type" dreamcard)
E137 Thorpe
H813-1 Boston Garter Mathewson
N690 Four Base Hits Ewing

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

My top ten in no special order.

1 - Any 1912 Garter
2 - d304 Cobb
3 - t208/d359/104-1 Plank
4 - e90-1 Jackson
5 - e92 Cocoa Cobb/Wagner
6 - e105 Wagner throwing
7 - Tip Top Wagner
8 - Mother's Bread Cobb leaning on his bat
9 - Any HOF Rose Co. Pc
10 - '80 Ricky Henderson ( You meant the Iraq war, right?)

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Posted By: Glen V

Some tough types I'd like to have (w/o using any previously mentioned cards, although I really liked Frank's list):

Gypsy Queen CA League McDonald
Henry Reccius Cigars Wagner
1919 White Sox Team Issue Joe Jackson
1913 A Fan For a Fan Cobb
1914 Texas Tommy Joe Jackson
1914 Texas Tommy Type 2 Wagner
T214 Victory Mathewson
L1 Leather Cobb
N693 Kalamazoo Team Card - any
1923 Maple Crispette Casey Stengel

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Posted By: Paul

I decided to amend my list slightly by including cabinets that most people don't consider true baseball cards:

1914 Baltimore Ruth
1893 Just So Cy Young
W600 Burkett
G&B Al Spaulding
Cabanas Pete Hill
1869 Peck & Snyder Reds
Red Stocking Cigar Radbourn
Warren Studios Cabinet George Wright
Warren Studios Cabinet Al Spalding (you can't go wrong with TWO Spaldings)
N142 Delahanty


I know it's not a card, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Cameo Pepsin pin of Sockalexis. Also, the Zeenut of Jimmy Claxton should make someone's top ten.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

4BH Ward
Just So Burkett

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Posted By: peter chao'

Guys,

The information that circulates through this forum helps make me a better and more informed collector. For instance, after checking my ACC I've realized that the M101-5 Babe Ruth #151 actually came out one year before the M101-4 Babe Ruth. Thus, the 1915 M101-5 Babe Ruth is the rookie card and more collectible.

Thanks for all your suggestions on a Top 10.

Peter

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Posted By: fkw

Peter, you might want to update your info Both the M101-4 and M101-5 are proven to now come from 1916. The M101-5 is from early 1916 (sold for $1 in ads in the Sporting News), and the M101-4 (updated version) is from Aug 1916 (ads first show up in Aug, ordered in series of 20 for 10 cents, or the complete set for a $2 subscription). The 1915 date is old info that is wrong.

If you look through old posts this subject has been brought up quite a few times and all the facts are in these old posts.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Ummm, OK, this will be fun:

1. T206 Wagner
2. T206 Cobb/Cobb Back
3. T205 Mathewson
4. T210 Jackson
5. E90-1 Jackson
6. 1914/15 Cracker Jack Jackson
7. Baltimore News Ruth
8. M101-5 Sporting News Ruth
9. 1934 Gehrig #37, Yellow Port (Best looking card in the Hobby, IMO)
10. 1933/34 Lajoie

***Leon- in a round about way, this can be a new poll, based on this post...it would be interesting to let this thread ride out a few days, then take the top 10 vote getting cards (i.e. T210 Jackson, T206 Wagner, Just So Young, etc...) see what an "ultimate Top 10" looks like.

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Posted By: Jay

-T206 Wagner
-Anson in Uniforn
-Just So Young
-T210 Jackson
-Kalamazoo Bats Ward
-N172 Player's League Kelly
-Baltimore News Ruth
-Ewing and Mascot Dogs Head Cabinet
-Pittsburgh Kalamazoo Bats Team Card
-N173 Delahanty

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Posted By: Steve M.

While MVSNYC makes a good suggestion this thread has gotten a little off track. The way the topic was posed by the poster was:

"cards can be ones that you have or would like to have."

I guess what I'm saying is do all of you really "want" the cards you're listing or are you just listing the ten most rare and or valuable cards in the hobby?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i can only speak for myself...the 10 cards i listed are cards i really "want"...obviously many of them are rare, but look at some of my choices: 34 gehrig, T205 mathewson, for example...not rare or extremely valuable at all, just great looking cards, that i would love to have.

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Posted By: Steve M.

I wasn't necessarily speaking to your list. I was generalizing the content of many of the lists in this thread. I agree that your list, as was mine, is in keeping with the intent of the poster. It just seemed to me that some of the lists had cards that quite honestly I never knew existed.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

steve- understood. i think you & i are on the same page...

Best-
MS

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

These I have.....

N162 Adrian Anson

N162 Mike Joseph Kelly

1933 Goudey Ruth

1941 Play Ball Joe DiMaggio

1941 Play Ball Ted Williams


These I would like.....

T206 Honus Wagner

T206 Eddie Plank

T206 Joe Doyle (error)

Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back

1934 Nap Lajoie (#106)

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Here's mine:

1. Baltimore News Ruth
2. 1927-28 Mallorquina - Martin Dihigo
3. 1909 Cabañas - Pete Hill
4. 1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez - Oscar Charleston
5. 1910 Punch (w/back) - Jose Mendez
6. 1912 Boston Garter - Mathewson
7. T210 Jackson
8. 1931 Doble Aguila y Sport - #191 Martin Dihigo (wearing Hilldale uniform)
9. 1923-24 Billiken - Oscar Charleston
10. 1863 Peck & Snyder - Creighton

-Ryan

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Posted By: Preece1

(no particular order)

N172 Anson in Uniform
K-Bats Ewing
FBH Kelly
FBH Ewing
Alpha Engraving McGraw
Just So Young
Just So Ewing (I know it has to be out there)
Yum Yum Kelly (standing by urn)
K-Bats Keefe
G&B Spalding


Honorable Mention

Lone Jack Comiskey
Just So Clarkson
K-Bats O-Rourke
K-Bats Connor
Alpha Engraving Jennings
Alpha Engravings Brouthers
K-Bats Ward
FBH Clarkson
FBH Keefe
FBH Welch

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Posted By: Paul

I've seen a scan of the Punch Jose Mendez that Ryan put on his list and it's an excellent choice. I would guess most board members haven't seen it. Hopefully Ryan or the owner can post a scan.

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Posted By: JimB

I did not realize this was a top 10 cards I would like to have. My list changes slightly.

Just So - Cy Young
T206 Wagner
T206 Cobb/Cobb back
T210 Joe Jackson
Four Base Hits Kelley
N167 Keefe
N167 Ewing
T206 Doyle NY Nat'l
1915 CJ Joe Jackson
E93 Cobb (SGC 96 - never seen it, but it is on the SGC pop report. Whoever has it, please contatct me. )
JimB

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Posted By: Cat

It sure seems like Joe Jackson gets an overabundance of love on these lists.

Mine:

1. m101-5 Ruth*
2. e107 Matty
3. Cobb w/Cobb Back
4. T206 Wagner
5. N172 Anson Uniform
6. e90-1 Jackson*
7. Just So Tobacco Young
8. '23 Billiken Charleston
9. '34 Goudey Gehrig (You have to have Gehrig on the list somewhere)
10. Collins McCarthy Hornsby*


* own these cards

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Posted By: Zach Rice

-1863 Peck and Snyder single player card of James Creighton
-1869 Peck and Snyder Cincinnati Reds
-1871 Mort Rogers Harry Wright(Not really a card but a scorecard)
-1873 Boston team cabinet featuring both Wrights, Spalding, and O'Rourke
-1888 N172 Anson in uniform
-1888 Joseph Hall New York team cabinet
-1910 T210 Joe Jackson
-1912 H813-1 Walter Johnson
-1912 H813-1 Christy Mathewson
-1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth

And because others are doing it, here are some honorable mentions:
-1887 N690 Four Base Hits Ewing
-1887 N690 Kalamazoo Bats Buck Ewing
-1887 N690 Kalamazoo Bats Keefe
-1888 Joseph Hall Boston team cabinet
-1888 Joseph Hall single player cabinet Ward

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Posted By: Lyle

1. Baltimore News Ruth - the ULTIMATE card IMO .
2. T210 Jackson - great image
3. Boston Garter 1912 Matty - both rarity and beauty .
4. Boston Garter 1913 Cobb - never seen one - by repution only !
5. Cobb with Cobb back - the ULTIMATE Cobb card which is possible .
6.Just So Young- legendary card
7.Cracker Jack Cobb - the best image of any Cobb
8.Guiterrez Charleston - my favorite of this genre
9.E90-1 Jackson - undisputed rookie card !
10.E107 Wagner

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Posted By: Wesley

N172 Anson w/ uniform
Just So Cy Young
Reccius Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
1913 Boston Garter Cobb
1913 Boston Garter Jackson
1912 Boston Garter Mathewson
E107 Mathewson
E107 Lajoie
Gutierrez Charleston
Gutierrez Lloyd
Cabanas Hill

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Posted By: E, Daniel

Anyone know a link or web site where I could see a 1913 Boston Garter Cobb?
Hadn't heard of one before this thread..

Daniel

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Posted By: Joe_G.

My list is very partial toward Detroit, but here it goes:

1) N172 Deacon White Portrait (McCreachery error card)
2) N338-2 Getzien
3) N403 Brouthers
4) E223 Thompson
5) E223 Baldwin (Lady)
6) Tomlinson Cabinet of Dan Brouthers
7) Tomlinson Cabinet of Sam Thompson
8) N175 Brouthers
9) N175 Thompson
10) N173 Deacon White (fielding ground ball - pose 7 or 8)

Wow, what a list, best Regards,
Joe Gonsowski

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Posted By: Andrew

Okay, someone please summarize these awesome lists for the ultimate top 10. :--)

“A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.” - English Proverb

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Anyone working on abulating this stuff?

Frank.

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Posted By: peter chao

Frank,

How do you abulate. But, if I did it the summary would be very biased and look like my original list.

Peter