Hal Chase with Trophy Question T206

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Posted By: Ray

I didn't want to hijack the current Chase thread but I have a question that's been bugging me for quite some time: What trophy is Chase holding?

The only google reference I can find is from BaseballLibrary.com which refers to a "silver loving cup" that was presented to him by his teammates upon returning to New York after playing for San Jose in the California League under an assumed name.

Could this be the trophy in question?


http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/C/Chase_Hal.stm>

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Posted By: davidcycleback

It could be a spitoon ... or worse.

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Posted By: Bob

2006 Net 54 NCAA Basketball Championship Contest Winner trophy of course!

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Posted By: T206Collector

...to the trophy in Hal Chase: A Prince At First, which I'll cite later tonight when I get home.

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Posted By: RobertS

I believe the cup was given to him upon his return from illness. I believe he had missed time due to smallpox and they threw a "day" for him when he returned to the lineup. I think this is referenced in one of the two big Chase books.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I have always wondered why Chase rates a 5th card in the T206 set ?
This card was issued in the very last series (460-only) of this set.
As everyone knows, he is the only player depicted on 5 cards; but,
does anyone know why.....or, at least have a good theory why ?

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Posted By: T206Collector

...although it has not held up to the test of time. Chase was one of the most popular players of his era. Chase and Matty were the toast of New York. I do not have an answer for why Matty only got three cards, however.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

He was considered on the best players of the day, was a charector and played in New York City. Obviously, it's odd he has more cards than Cobb or Mathewson. With all the printing errors, perhaps it's too much to expect that the printers should have remembered how many Chase or Cobb poses they had made the year before.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

The definitive biography on Hal Chase (in my opinion):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1894963296/sr=8-1/qid=1150924312/ref=sr_1_1/103-1597900-7313464?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I just finished it and it was fantastic.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

The trophy is a "Loving Cup" that was presented to Prince Hal by his Highlander teammates when he returned to the team after jumping to San Jose for a brief stint in the California League in 1908. Details at:

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/C/Chase_Hal.stm

Scot

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Posted By: T206Collector

From the fictional autobiography "A Prince At First" by Ed Dinger:

"When the newspapers announced that I was finally strong enough to play, you better believe that town was excited. At home plate before my first at bat, I was presented with a silver-plated loving cup. I had to smile. A loving cup for me! The fans rose to their feet to cheer the Prince. To welcome him back. All is forgiven! Even my teammates and the clucks on the other side stood to applaud. To oblige them I raised the cup over my head and presented it from one foul pole to the other. Look at the goddamn cattle, I thought. Look at them all."

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Prince Hal was a real sweetheart, wasn't he.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

A silver loving cup that size is a nice object to own. That specific cup is somewhere, where?

Edited to add:

Ok, maybe it is only plated, but really the melt value is not an issue.

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Posted By: Bob

I agree, The Black Prince of Baseball was one of the better biographies of preway players I have read, along with The Ginger Kid (Buck Weaver). On the other hand, I didn't agree with all the acclaim for Frank Deford's new book about Matty and Muggsy and the Giants and how they invented modern baseball. (I forget the exact name). It was a warm rehashing of so many other books about Matty and McGraw and I thought was not that well written or illuminating. I read it this past weekend and was very disappointed. I felt that the book I read about the 1908 pennant race (which sadly had no mention of the incredible AL race which has long been forgotten in the wake of Merkle's Boner and Evers, Chance, Tinker, Honus, Matty, etc.) was terrific and would recommend it to everyone. It is by Gordon Fleming and is called The Unforgettable Season.
I bought the book about allegedly the greatest season ever, 1924, today so I'll have plenty to read with it and Red Legs and Black Sox by Susan Dellinger and Burying the Black Sox by Gene Carney. Don't you love the summer?