SGC will have big holders soon

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Posted By: leon

I was just speaking with an Exec at SGC and he told me they would have the machine to do the new bigger holders by around Sept.-Oct., of this year, time frame. I hope they do as I think it will allow us to get our cards graded that would have otherwise gone to less vintage 'centric' companies. I have really disliked the Barbie Doll holders of one of the companies that has tried them. PSA does an ok job on those holders....I just don't trust them as much as I do SGC...again, that is only my personal opinion. This won't get to be one of those xxx company is better than xxx company threads. On a simliar sort of note I got back a group of cards today from SGC and 2 were deemed counterfeit. I bought them a month ago from SCP, ungraded, in their last auction. I called them and there was absolutely no hesitation on them telling me to send them back for a full, immediate refund. I don't really blame them as this is one of those series that gives even experienced collectors fits....best regards

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Posted By: Josh K.

Leon,

What cards were deemed counterfeit by sgc?

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Posted By: leon

They were two of the 1928 Babe Ruth Candy Co. cards....besides Fro-Joys I think these are the hardest to tell and the most common fakes. These were good ones....I thought they were trimmed and looked a little funky...so sent them in....always better safe than sorry...and the sooner the better on this stuff....regards

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Posted By: cmoking

Leon, when you say 'bigger holders' - how big are the holders? Are these for the T3 and other issues of that size?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I've heard this song before. But at least I know I can leave my cabinets at home in July.

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Posted By: Jason

That is no surprise coming from SCP.

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Posted By: leon

I believe it's for the T3 size. And (Adam) I do believe them this time. I think the time frame I gave is realistic and conservative from what I am hearing....we'll see.....best regards

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Posted By: Paul

I talked to SGC yesterday on the phone, & I asked about the big holders. I was told they should be ready late summer, & will fit T3's. Also, they will make the custom made gaskets to fit other issues larger than Exhibits.

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Posted By: Rick

http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=4000&universeid=314&type=1

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Posted By: WP

Glad to see that PSA grades T3s

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Posted By: Rick

did you see the date?

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Posted By: Josh K.

Rick - Are you actually trying to make this a psa vs. sgc thread? Is that really necessary?

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Posted By: jay behrens

It's not good to piss off Moderator Dude.

Jay

Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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Posted By: Rick

Leon has my email ...If he feels i have ever crossed the line he can send a quick one.

Obvioulsy our moderator has opinions as well...He has never had a problem reminding us which grading company he prefers or which one he dislikes.

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Posted By: jay behrens

He did ask not to turn this into a which grading company is best thread. I'm the resident rabble rouser and even I have enough sense not to go against Leon's wishes in this thread. You, on the other hand don't get it or seem tothink it's OK to stir things up when asked not to.

Jay

Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

On a SGC dominated board, there's nothing wrong with a PSA partisan or two. I may not always agree with his point of view, but think Rick's PSA comments on this board have been fair.

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Posted By: quan

always 1-2 years behind and copying what's popular from ESPN. I'm glad SGC is finally coming out with larger holders so the collectors can go with their choice of graders. Hopefully the SGC-graded pricing will be B to PSA's A and we can all continue to buy stuff for cheap(er).

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Posted By: PC

I do not want to put words in Leon's mouth, but I think Leon was referring to GAI's shrink-wrapped eyesores (otherwise known as oversized holders), and not to PSA's oversized holders. Maybe, maybe not.

I'm glad to see SGC getting into the oversized grading game, but I question how many collectors of larger items want the slab. I usually buy graded cards, but for material larger than a T201, I will continue to avoid the slabs -- the plastic is just too bulky. For the 1930's premium issues that I own, the plastic would quadruple (at least) the space needed to store these items.

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Posted By: leon

I don't see this turning into a "who's the best grading company?" thread. Lord knows we've had a few of those. Everyone has a right to an opinion and if Rick wants to throw in the fact that he likes PSA, so be it. But as stated I only wanted to let folks know of the new service SGC will offer soon. Personally, I rarely collect larger type cards so won't have a lot of use for it, until I finish my set, and have to get a T3, 4, and 5. Please start another thread (or actually please don't ) if we want to discuss who's better, for the millionth time...and we can see the normal alliance of grading companies. I would prefer to just leave it at "SGC is having a new service with larger holders" though....

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Posted By: warshawlaw

but if it triples the price too... lots of storage space will be found.

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Posted By: PC

Unlike mid to low grade graded cards -- which often sell at a steep discount to the NM "book" value (whatever that means) -- I have seen the mid-size/large items go for premiums because they are slabbed, even for the lower to mid-grades.

As a buyer, I'm not going to pay the EX-NM price for a Kashin or Fine Pen graded 3 by PSA or SGC, when the unslabbed version goes for half the price (which is what a VG item should sell for). Not sure why the market is behaving this way, but my guess is that mid-size to large premium issues are still rare in PSA and SGC slabs, and some collectors are paying up for the slab (for registry purposes, or simply for the confidence the graded item brings to the transaction).

So, for the time being, the slab certainly brings in more money for the seller, even for off-condition material. I doubt that will last. Of course, the NM+ slabbed stuff will always sell at a premium, but that seems fair to me. And since I don't have much in the NM+ category, I doubt I'll ever be sending my Butterfingers, R303s and R311s in to be slabbed (since in the future, the slabbed grade may only serve to drive the price down).

But in the event the PSA, SGC and (*ack*) GAI slabs are discontinued, they can always sell the unused slabs to schools as cafeteria trays.

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Posted By: Josh K.

My problem with the psa post is that it simply serves no purpose. So big deal, psa came out with a large slab before sgc. As is often the case, the companies that enter the market later end up doing better in the long run. Woohoo psa is soooo innovative because they were able to slab T3s first (well, actually second I think, though its hard to look at supersized gai slab without laughing).

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Posted By: Matthew

Actually, I usually just cry when I see the oversized GAI holders.

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Posted By: Richard

If I am not mistaken, PSA only uses its T3 holders to slab T3 cards. However, nothing else between the size of a T3 and an exhibit has been slabbed in their oversized holder using a gasket.

If SGC makes a holder than can hold a T3 AND include a wide array of gaskets that will allow them to slab everything else in between, they will be first to market.

Of course, PSA will be right behind.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Who said PSA needs gaskets, they have condems to put in the holders.

Lee

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Posted By: Bob

I would guess I am using SGC 30% and GAI 70% but anything like a Zeenut which goes in a larger holder goes directly to SGC. I detest the license plate holders GAI uses.