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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Lyle,

In this particular case, you don't need telepathy to know the seller's motives. The question was asked "Charlie: What are your plans for the card?"

The seller's response was "I am accepting offers but I am also considering ebay. MANONTHEROCK gets pretty good auction results."

This means he is clearly SELLING THE CARD. If I'm excited about a card in my collection and I want to share it with others, my response to that question is "My plans are to keep the card in my collection." or "I have no plans for the card."

He gave two possible options:

1. He will sell the card privately by accepting offers.
2. He will sell the card on ebay. He even made sure we knew exactly what his ebay name was so we could look for it.

None of those options include him not selling the card. His post was spam, plain and simple. This doesn't mean he's a bad guy or unethical as there seem to be many board members who have had successful transactions with him. It just means he's obviously selling the card and was from the beginning.

-Ryan

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Posted By: Lyle

His comments about selling the Cobb was in response to the previous poster who asked him his plans for the card not in his 1st , 2nd , or 3rd post . Give the guy a break...he was excited to share a nice card .

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Posted By: jay behrens

Lyle, I also grew in MN. I never missed a day of school from K-12. You must of missed the day the they offered the course

He may not have mentioned it in his first 3 posts, but his obvious intention is to sell the card. As Ryan pointed out, he his only options on what he was doing with the card was resale. He has never once said he had any intention of having the card reside in his collection.

I'm all for cutting people slack, but when it's something so blantant as this, you don't get any slack. Besides, when Zach started calling him out on it, he just kept dodging the question. If he really was making the post to show off a new card in his collection he would immediately responded with something to effect that even though I want to keep the card, I have been overwhelmed with incredible offers that are making me rethink my position. He made it quite clear his itention from the get-go was to sell the card where you could find it on eBay if he didn't make a private sale.

Most of us long time posters to the board have a pretty good feel for legit "check out what I just got" or "what do you think about this card" and similar posts with the alterior motive to sell a card or hype a personal card in a major auction.

As the old saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Jay,

Who are you? You don't know me or my intentions. If you don't like this thread, go to another thread. I have been following these boards for along time. You are a negative person with negative things to say. I buy and sell many cards but I had never seen this card in this condition nor has anybody else because it does not exist. So I put a scan of it up harmlessly and because you have way too much negative time on your hands, you became very aggressive. I never once solicited the card for sale. I was asked by someone that I had done business with in the past what my intentions were and I answered the question. I think you might want to back off and or bring in up with me in person.

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Posted By: bigfish

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Posted By: bigfish

I am not calling you anything and am really sorry i got involved in this post. I have better thinga to do. Charlie, you should have contacted me after the purchase for a refund. That is the bottom line. I would have given you one and offered you one. Instead, you left me a negative. That is wrong. And that is all I have to add to the mess. I made my point to you and hold no grudge. Just wish you did things differently. I actually would have bid on a bunch of your cards. I have deleted my posts.

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Posted By: zach

Last post-"I have been following these boards for along time." So, this kinda proves you know how the board works and you made a point of it. Don't try to play the whole i'm new here so don't know what to say when though maybe you don't post much, you do know the rules and what goes where.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Charlie, you just keeping digging a deeper hole every time you post. Zach is correct, if you have been a long time reader of this board, then there absolutely NO EXCUSE for starting a seperate thread for your card. You can call me negative if you like, but I'm calling a spade, a spade.

Hopefully, next time you'll show some more class and post your new acquitions in the proper thread. Your card, unlike my card below, is not a new find to the hobby, just the highest grade. To many of, we don't really care about "the highest graded".



Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jay:

What are your plans for that card?

Jeff

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Posted By: jay behrens

actually, more than likely it will end up in the REA auction. Still working out a few details.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: identify7

Julie: We are trying to make sure that nobody notices Charlie's card - for some reason.

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Posted By: bigfish

who cares

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Jay,

Every person I have talked to privately on this board has backed up my experience with there own personal horror story in regard to you.

I look forward to meeting you in person at show. Somehow I know you won't treat me with that kind of disrespect to my face.

Its Ironice that you listed a card only to resond to a question regarding your plans for it. Only to reveal that it might part from your personal collection within the next 50 years. Maybe as soon as the next REA, according to you.

The last thing I have to say is, why is holding a card in your "personal collection" so much more high and mighty than a person who plans to buy sell or trade a card to make money. Where does it say that a person who makes money buying and selling baseball cards is a loser versus a "stud" like you who is still complaing at baseball cards not coming in penny packs anymore.

You are a luddite. Move on. The card world has passed you bye. The hobby is bigger than 5 people who huddle around all there cards "el natural" with out any evil, sinful grading companies and card dealers.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

When a thread turns to the point where people are saying "You won't say that to my face" it's gone way too far. It's a great looking card, it's pretty obvious that he was showing it off, and he does intend to sell it. It doesn't need to degrade into insults and threats.

And Charlie, I've met Jay and I doubt he has a violent bone in his body, but he is a big dude.

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Posted By: Mike Pugeda

My question is for Zach and Jay B.

Why does Charlie posting this in a separate thread cause such an uproar with you? Probably should go to BST, but what's the big deal? Even if he posted it with intentions to sell, it's not as if he has done this repeatedly and been warned. If you're not losing any sleep or money over it, then I just don't get it.

Like Charlie said, if you don't like the thread, don't participate in it.

On a final note, I have read many more offensive threads than this, where people tell others to F--- off, tell others they should start heroin or where others bring up other peoples personal lives, but I don't recall you taking such offense to those people.

I don't know you Charlie, but I don't think what you did was all that wrong.

Mike Pugeda

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Posted By: zach

Ok here's my reasoning. He states he has been following the board for a long time. He should know this goes in the recent pick up thread. IMO since he is a dealer this was not put in the recent pick up thread but a new thread to draw more attention to it. Though answering a question about if he was going to sell it he could have just said maybe or please email me, this doesn't belong in this part of the board. Did he ? No he didn't. He also managed to put in a nice plug for his ebay auctions, manontherock. Its way too obvious, a dealer posting on the main board to attract more views and potential bids on his card.

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Posted By: Mike Pugeda

Zach,

I do agree with your reasoning, my only stance is that there are much more important things in life to get worked up about, and this isn't one of them.

Mike Pugeda

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Posted By: jay behrens

There is a reason that many of us have taken offense to the post, the board has rules. If you let Charlie slide with one post, there are 500 plus regualr visitors to the this board that should be allowed to post cards they intending to sell in their own seperate thread. If that is the case, how in the world are we going to find the threads that really have something to talk about? The recent pick-up thread and BST area exist for a reason. For someone that claims to be a long time reader of the board to circumvent the board rules doesn't speak highly of that person.

Charlie, I can be a total sweetheart in person. I can also be an in your face, call you on your BS kind of person too when I am in public. I don't try to win populatiry contests. Most people either like me or hate. Doesn't matter to me either way, but I'll never pull a punch just to make someone feel better or make myself look good. I couldn't respect myself if I did.

Mike Wentz and I had more than a few heated exchanges here, but when we met at the National this year not bad word was exchanged. I probably spent more time talking with him than anyone else. Exchanges here need to be taken with a grain of salt, but there is also some reality behind the way a person posts.

As I said before, I personally think Leon dropped the ball on this one. It should have been nipped in the bud right away and moved to the recent pick-up thread. Then all of this would have been avoided. Now that the precedent has been set, does everyone get a free pass to start a thread about cards they selling on the main board?

Jay

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: zach

Also to further this, Leon stated that the poster just wanted to talk about the card. hmmmm his posts after his first post didn't have any talk except a nice sale pitch. "I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE OF COBB'S ROOKIE CARD!! AND THE HIGHEST AND ONLY PSA 6 GRADED!!" If this isn't a sale pitch but is a way to introduce talk about a card then please tell me. Then two posts later he adds a nice plug for his ebay items.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Zach,

Have you been to my ebay store or see any my auctions? If you had you would have known that if I wanted to sell this card, I would have auctioned by now or put it for sale in my store. Every single card I have for sale is put into the store immediately. The card is not in my ebay store or in an auction on ebay.

As far as your complaint that I plugged ebay, just the other Brian Drent plugged his auction and himself in a brand new thread. I plugged my ebay account indirectly and I might mention, it does not need to be plugged.

You also keep mentioning that I said that I have been on the board for awhile. That is a true statement, Robert Bresdo told me to try it out about six months ago. I only read the board to learn. I don't card nor have I take the time to study the nuances. These rules seem to be like John Candys in stripes, "the guy on the bottom bunk makes the guy on the top bunks bed, no if we were in Germany you'd have to make my bed". It should not be so convoluted, I put a picture of a card up that I was interesting in discussing and from there I answered a question that was directed at me. I did state that among my choices, ebay was an option and god forbid under my ebay auction. The insinuation sent Zach, into absolute talespin.

I feel insulted and ganged up on. I cannot say that I would recommend this experience to anyone.

I think Zach and Jay should right up a disclaimer that new users would have to sign in order to be a part of the community.

Zach and Jay have embarrassed themselves. I also love to engage in heated discussions or arguments but not like this. This was a well orchstrated ambush. Please do not try and approach me at a show and laugh this off without a sincere apology.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Charlie, you are joke. All you had to was admit you made a mistake, instead you play yourself the victim. We've seen that senario often enough from people with alterior motives behind their posts.

FAQs exist for a reason. Sitting back reading the board for 6 months should have clued you in that what you have done here was inappropriate. Instead, you play the vicitim as if you did nothing wrong. I stongly suggest you read the FAQ and become familiar with it, no is going buy the poor ignorant newbie excuse anymore.

Don't expect an apology, you'll never get one from me and I doubt you disliking me from this pont on will not make one bit of difference in my life.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: zach

Charlie, don't worry I won't be coming up to you at a show. Your cards aren't really my cup of tea. You say I should write a set of rules for new guys because obviously the new guy gets it bad. This is what your saying but you are not NEW and have stated that fact over and over again. btw you still havent posted this in the new items thread.

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Posted By: leon

I know both of ya'll personally so I guess I can say a few things. First of all leave Charlie alone. His minor mistake was not that big of a deal in my eyes. There are more things to worry about than someone posting something that is in a gray area in a thread. Charlie and I have chatted via private email and he knows now. Leave it alone. Ya'll say this sets a precedent. No it doesn't. Why? Because I am sitting here moderating the darn board and think I can take care of any "future" precedents regarding this subject. On many occasions I let stuff go because the motive looks innocent. It's a judgement call but in my eyes this thread was innocent and ya'll turned it into a battle. Those are my opinions but I really didn't want to jump back in. I don't want Charlie to leave after the way ya'll have treated him so felt the need to respond. For what it's worth I am trying to keep the board a little more civil nowadays and would appreviate some help. Zach- let your dad read this thread and see what he thinks....then get back to me...I consider you a friend as well as Jay so ya'll don't take this stuff too personally....I just want a nice easy going place to talk about vintage baseball cards...that's all..regards

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Posted By: Chris

Three cheers to moderator dude! Let's all lighten up guys. I know we love em to death but they are just baseball cards. They shouldn't affect world peace. Nobody is perfect. we all make mistakes. No need to flog each other every time it happens. As my Grandpa would say, I'm to dumb to be right all the time so I allow others to be wrong some of the time.

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Posted By: David Vargha

Zach is cool by me.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: jay behrens

Leon is gonna need to bring Scott B with him if plans on spanking me I kid my mom that she lost control of me in the 3rd grade because that's when I got bigger than her.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: leon

I am 44 and if I am going to spank anybody it's going to be a girl, and not in a an angry fashion (in my dreams)....

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

Leon-how's the comb I sent you 6 years ago?

Happy Holidays~

Charles,did you see Jay's E-92 Oakes card in the "show me your best E card" thread?? Don't mess with him or his collection!

Actually, guys,in all fairness,Charles sold the Cobb so he is not trying to sell it now to anyone.Some powerful humble card collector probably is spinning it in his hand as he reads this guff right now. I'm happy for him,wish I had the card.

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Posted By: identify7

I agree. Zach is cool by me too. Different perspectives are a part of our strength.

Edited to add the second "o" to too.

Further Edited To Add: - imho - the key to an enjoyable spanking (dream or otherwise) is the slowness of the application of strikes and ...

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Posted By: zach

Leon-I just sent you an email regarding this matter.

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Posted By: leon

I think this thread has gone on long enough.....As for anyone disagreeing with the way it was handled we all have our opinions. I will continue to be as consistently fair as I know how.......regards all