Is this a legit t206 error??

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Posted By: Bobby

$111.xx Oh my god


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5132559527&rd=1

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Posted By: runscott

normally you would see an image related to baseball, but since they printed other things as well, this occasionally happens. I once saw a t206 with the front of a "bird" card printed on the back.

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Posted By: Bobby

Scott, you believe this is a legit error? I believe it was a rubber stamp or image being printed by a photocopier or some sort like that since the image is awfully clear.

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Posted By: Bobby

I just noticed the "ghost" image is wearing a suit and a tie. There's no way it was a factory printing error back in 1910's.

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Posted By: runscott

I think it's "printers scrap" - someone was testing some other item to be printed, on the back of a discarded sheet of t206s.

But you could be right - it could be a rubber-stamp.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Well it looks like a scrap to me. Looks like it was hand cut and the printing on the front is off. That's probably why they scraped it and used it check another series of cards.

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Posted By: Julie

or is he just an early 20th century version of a Calvin K ad?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

it would be very difficult to feed the card through a copier, if not impossible.

I also don't think it is a rubber stamp on the back. Too detailed an image for a rubber stamp. I'd guess it is part of a scrap with non-card printing on the back, but you'd have to see it up close and personal to determine whether it is printed material or some other form of transferred image.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

He has sold a lot of nice cards. Rob

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

I will let you guys know when I receive it how it is. Rob

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Does anyone else have an opinion on this card? Rob

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Posted By: dennis

the image looks like he's wearing a bb uniform in that one,not suit and tie...but close enough for me to believe yours is real mistake.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Anyone else have an opinion? I would like to here form some of the T206 experts. I know it looks different but has anyone seen anything like it before? I would love to find out who is the person on the back. Rob 

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I will assume the role of a t206 expert since i almost have the whole set and a bunch of 'error' cards besides them.I agree with Scott.The card looks to be hand cut and it seems to just be an unrelated image on the back,possibly a rubber stamp,possibly a printing test run.

I was watching the auction but didnt bid for 2 reasons.The picture on the back isnt t206 related[meaning a different back or front from the set] and the frankly the picture on the back was just too odd.

I personally dont add value to a hand cut card unless its blank backed or it didnt go thru the full color application on front. Its basically all a matter of personal taste tho,to me this is a 20 dollar card with an 'interesting' image on it

Take for instance this ebay card i just won.A couple people wrote me and said it was a great buy,and im sure a few people just think of it as a badly miscut worthless card

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

I took a good look at the card when I received it and also sent an enlarged scan to the T206 Museum website and we came to the conclusion that it was not a mistake that happened in 1909. So I contacted the seller and he told me he would give me a refund. So I mailed it with insurance back to him so you guys might see it back up on ebay again. Rob 

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Posted By: runscott

I wouldn't have thought of doing that, but it was really smart. If it had been a valuable card, the t206museum would have ignored your request for information and instead asked how much you wanted for it. The fact that they said it wasn't a 1909 error pretty much guarantees they really thought it was more modern. But I don't have a good feel for their level of expertise - most of what they have on their web-site is stuff they filched from others.

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Posted By: leon

looks a little like Elvis to me....

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Posted By: HW

It is amazing how much "printer's scrap" we see associated with the T206 issue. I know that they are the most common "T" card, but do the same type of cards exist with T205, T207, etc.?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Yes, but in much smaller quantities.

Remember, T206 is many times more prevalent than the next most common tobacco issue, which is probably T205. It stands to reason that with a much bigger print run, there would be many more scraps, misprints, miscuts and errors.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I think based on population,e92's have more printing/miscut errors than anything else.I have one that has parts of 2 fronts,parts of 3 backs,with a clear image of the back on front and vice versa

I think you made the right decision by sending it back for the reasons i mentioned above

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

He is an honest seller. I already received my refund to my paypal account. Bigb13 {Rob}

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Posted By: runscott

I have only owned one OBAK scrap and it was also an Ostdiek, front fine but with parts of four different backs.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

Hi Scott, would you want me to email you a blown up scan of that card? Rob

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Posted By: runscott

I have scans of every card I have ever owned.