Interesting Koos reading

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Posted By: jay behrens 

A bit long, but well worth the read.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=366790&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1

Jay

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Posted By: ramram

try this - http://boards.collectors-society.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=366790&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
It does make for an interesting read. Take's a while but Koos' name does pop up.

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Posted By: Hankron

I always thought that Koos made Roy Huff look like a choir boy .... I may have an undue bias, however, as Koos once threatened to run me over with his car (Ahh, those carefree memories from when Koos posted regularly on this board).

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Posted By: Hankron

Koos is going to have a hell of a time posting on any board, because people from now on are going to keep calling him Danny-- which I promise you will drive him crazy.

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Posted By: Julie

made out of paper mache (supply accent mark) and animated by the wind
around the Forum...

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Posted By: ty_cobb

Whatever happened to Dr. Evil and his 7K Pro slabbed
Shoeless Joe? Often described as a 'turd in a punchbowl'
(I mean the card!), it was his weekly eBay auction of
this card that led to his private auctions. He had to
auction the card every week because everyone retracted
their bids to drive him into a frenzy! Most of what he wrote
here read 'Gym, babes, Mercedes Benz, not altered,
run you over, bleep you, 'this message edited by Pro9'.

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Posted By: Joe P.

Anyone on this board ever had the pleasure of meeting Dr Danny Dupcak in person, at his Fantazia store, among some of his creations?

I find it amazing that after 14 years it took another hobby/business group with pelotas to go after a malignant growth in their neck of the woods.

I wonder how the winner of our hobby/business group feels about this Private Auction prize.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2779635280&category=31719

Since 1990.
Is anybody there?
Does anybody care?

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Posted By: runscott

but it would have been nice if someone from the vintage card hobby and gotten that end of the story included.

Also, are you implying that Buck Ewing didn't actually sign with a Sharpie?!?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2781500765

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Posted By: Joe P.

SCD gave Danny Boy "Customer Service Awards."

Like Ol Case would say, "You could look it up"

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: runscott

Is there any way to "un-teach" you how to post images?

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: petecld

With great posting power comes great posting responsibility.

Hey, is THAT the mansion he said he lives in?

Gee, could he have lied?

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Posted By: BcD

this is too much! For the record though..........Koos is not danny. if you saw Danny you would know he is half the size of Koos. Ask Jerry Schwartz. The pix is Koos.If anyone on here knew Danny,it is obviously not him.And Koos flamed me Royal andi will still attest to the identity issue for him.

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Posted By: Brian

Two lying thieves with identical modus operandi, living together, each refusing to acknowledge the other's existence?

Have you met BOTH of them?

Wait a minute...who cares?

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Posted By: RBCraik

Brian this scan looks vaguely familiar...

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Posted By: runscott

I had originally intended to ask Brian a question. Sorry for that unintentional goof.

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Posted By: Jeff O

... like someone's head put on someone else's body. Check out where the shoulders meet the neck. It's also interesting that the body looks tan, yet the face and neck more pink. The two just don't go together...

Jeff

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Posted By: TBob

I'd say it was made by the same person who pastes those heads of Britney Spears and Anna K. on nude women's bodies. It looks like someone standing behind a cardboard cut-out of a muscleman's body. Tres' bizarre.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

.......end of story.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

The head goes with the body just fine (if you like that sort of thing...)

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Posted By: BcD

Some of the alleged facts in that story are in fact.NOT facts. if you lived in New York circa 1980-92 lewt's say,you would know that Koos is not DD. Whatever other things might connect them is beyond what you or I would care to know but they surely are not the same people.

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Posted By: ramram

now that Mr. Bush is pushing for roid testing of everybody involved in sports including those dealing in sports cards. Ebay won't suspend him for his suspect business but I'm sure they'll get him for failing his steroid test. Just some words of wisdom - for all of you dealers out there who have bigger necks than waist line - you better get clean! Oops, nevermind, I've just been informed that all true dealers just have pencil necks and beer guts.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

When I was publisher of SCD circa 1991 I personally banned Fantazia from advertising, as did our sister publications in the comics field. If Fantazia got a Customer Service Award prior to 1991, it was earned.

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Posted By: Joe P.

You knew about L'l Danny in 1990, and he was earning it then as he's earning it now.

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Posted By: dan

This is absolutely a cut and paste job! look at his right shoulder, it doesn't match up to the neck. Otherwise, this looks exactly like Scott Brockelman.

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Posted By: runscott

Joe P, the world's foremost authority on vintage baseball, is questioning Bob Lemke's word?

Okay, guess we have to believe him. Elliot - where the hell did this guy come from?

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Posted By: Joe P.

I didn't know that I wounded you that badly.
You shouldn't have tried to get cute with me, especially when you have thin skin.

Unlike you,I can back up every word I said.
It's funny but not surprising that you would jump in on this when you were not the one being addressed.
You know absolutely nothing about what this is all about, but yet your wounded little boys pride suckered you into this.

Bob knows that the time frame we're talking about is between Memorial Day 1990 thru Labor Day of that year.
The National was held in Texas that year.
To all you stalwart Vintage and devoted slabbers, the question and problem at hand was the alteration of the stuff you cream for.
We're talking high ended vintage cards that fooled some of your favorite dealers.
My involvement was $15,000 (alot of money in those days)on the toughest card of the T206.
When it sounds too good to be true, ..... it is.
I already had a real one, but I wanted this one to trade for the second hardest card in the T206, the Wagner.
BTW, there are more Wagners than what you think.
By the time of the National I had already gone through tons of T206's that had the Nat'l league designators on them. .... that plus comparing my real one with the altered ones.
I had purchased the card just before the Memorial Day weekend, and that's when I bumped into Lew and Beckett at a show in L.I. N.Y. ..... that's when Lew gave me the shocking headsup that the card might not be Kocher.
From that time on I was dedicated to searching for tell tale signs, and flaws I found.
Right up to the time of the National I was always in contact with my Lawyer and Mark MaCrae, always exchanging and compiling information on L'l Danny and friends.
As soon as I arrived in Texas, I went from my hotel to the National.
I met Mark where we were supposed to meet.
He was there with awell healed client of his, a nice kid with lots of family money with him.
The first thing that Mark tells me is that they had spotted a very nice Magie that had the possibilities of being of the Third Kind.
We went to the dealers table, a dealer from Denver that's still in business.
I politely asked to see the Magie.
After having looked at tons of Nat'l designators, this one was a piece of cake.
I thanked the dealer, I turned around and asked Mark where can we go and talk.
Mark found us an empty conference room where we discussed the situation, and we all agreed (including the nice kid with the Old Money) that we had to tell the dealer about his card.
To say that this dealer from Denver didn't want to believe us, is an understatement.
I don't know how we ever accomplished it, but deep down inside, I feel that the combined efforts of the Kid from Castro Valley in the West Coast, plus the quiet, mundane and easy going kid from the streets of Spanish Harlem in NYC, and let's not forget the nice kid carrying all that Old Money. ... Mark, what the hell was that kids name?
Anyhow, the dealer from the Mile High City was overmatched and saw the wisdom of telling us all.
As it turned out he had bought it from another dealer at the show.
This dealer, and I wont mention his name either is from Flint MI.
We told the dealer that we were going over to check the other dealers table and that we would be back.
We went there, and we found a very happy and smiling dealer, after looking at some of the stuff that he had on his table, we could see why.
The NYC in me told me to ask him if he had any higher priced tobacco cards. .... his answer was that his son
was flying in later with some more items.
Flint MI to Texas. ...... business is good.
We know that the Denver dealer got his money back.
The other night out of curiosity I asked Mark, "Did he ever thank you?"
"No he didn't."
"That makes two of us."

The rest of my time at the 1990 Texas National I spent talking to dealers and not only telling them about L'l Danny's art work, but pointing out the main flaw (singular) in his creation.
I kept one of the flaws to myself, knowing that by doing so it wont be printed for potential correction by our Diminutive Don Danny.

Speaking of El Nino.
In all fairness to him.
He is a pretty good artist, with a sense of humor, and lots of brass.
This Chihuahua is almost likable, but then again if you're not likable you can't be a good con man.
Bringing to mind what the biggest regret of this whole matter is.
We were discussing dealers at his Fantazia store and the name Alan Rosen (Mr Mint) came up.
Apparantly there was a running feud between the two.
He whips out from his counter a baseball card size cartoon, words above the caricature heads and all.
It was a perfect image of Rosen, and the cartoon itself was outstandingly funny.
I regret never having made that as part of the deal.
L'l Danny should not be taken lightly, he can destroy your hobby, he can be that good.

I got my $15,000 G's Back.
I gave alot of my time.
I didn't only fight my dinero, but I also fought for the integrity and credibility of our Vintage hobby.
The $1,500.00 for my counselor was worth every cent.
He didn't only know all the ins and outs of the hobby, he was also a great guy and friend to have on my side.

1. I can back up everything that I said with documents that I still have.

2. I have witnesses that can verify the time frame and the facts.
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OK Runny, now is your turn.

We all know that you were a Gigolo for baseball cards.
Now what else have you contributed to the Vintage world?

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Posted By: runscott

15-20 years ago you were younger, had more of a life, not so close to the end of things...still a "player". What are you looking ahead to now? Getting any wiser...thinner? How's the heart holding up? You probably used to contribute to vintage newsletters, publications, but nothing lately. Just sitting behind the computer, maybe with a drink or two, or a cigarette.

Gotta go - got the work computer next to this one and the job calls. Then I'm going for a run - marathon coming up. Good luck to you Joe P - sounds like the old days were great for you.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

Very interesting reading. My favorite part:
<The $1,500.00 for my counselor was worth every cent.
He didn't only know all the ins and outs of the hobby, he was also a great guy and friend to have on my side>
Score one for the legal profession!!! (please, it happens so rarely)
Glad to see you got your coin back. Hope if you ever spot Danny's "work" circulating under any new names, you'll provide a heads up.

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Posted By: Julie

I didn't know the National had ever been held in Texas (excuse ME, Leon!). But then, what do I know--I've only been to one.

Also once owned a T206 Plank, so information about faked scarce T206s is of interest.

In fact, the whole long post was fascinating!

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Posted By: Joe P.

At Fantazia, L'l Danny had a partner.
His name was Henry Moses, AKA Skip.
Just another part of the human interest story that I thought you might like to know.