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NYYFan63 · #51 11-21-2025, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

This is bad
I signed up last week as I saw some interesting cards
They cannot get this working right-should not even started
Now this!!

I did as well�

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parkplace33 · #52 11-21-2025, 08:15 AM

Looks like Rick bit off more than he can chew.

I am sure a return to Ebay is imminent.

HOF_Forever · #53 11-21-2025, 08:22 AM

I registered eyes wide open with regards to shilling. I figured there could still be some good deals across the site. If I didn't end up buying anything than so be it.

I didn't count on my personal info being exposed 😡.

Johnny630 · #54 11-21-2025, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Looks like Rick bit off more than he can chew.

I am sure a return to Ebay is imminent.

I'd assume by this evening.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #55 11-21-2025, 09:16 AM

Logic dictated not to rush into registering until after enough time had elapsed to see how things were proceeding. Gotta love logic.

BRoberts · #56 11-21-2025, 10:21 AM

Lie down with dogs, get fleas.

For all of you scratching your itches right now, wtf did you expect?

Aquarian Sports Cards · #57 11-21-2025, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I'm not buying into the narrative that the site was having tech difficulties and then everything just got accidentally exposed ... blah, blah, blah ... This was a hack, period.

That's not really how any of it went down though.

The crash had nothing to do with the data being exposed, other than they were both related to letting AI write your code and not understanding the ramifications of that.

More importantly, even if it was a hack that revealed the shill bidding of the hunnybunny account, I'd say that was a good thing.

premiercardcollectors · #58 11-21-2025, 12:12 PM

I�m really disappointed in Probstein and the fact that I signed up and gave over a lot of information. I have since emailed them requesting a full deletion of my account.

I guess I am naive. I didn�t realize how rampant shill bidding was in the hobby. I thought this was mostly cleaned up and I know the auctions where it happens and I stay away from them as a result.

Shame on Probstein and shame on anyone who bids on their own items or hires/asks others to do so.

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Peter_Spaeth · #59 11-21-2025, 12:12 PM

When his next auction posts, on whatever platform, no one will even remember or care. See concepts 1 and 2 in signature.

BobbyVCP · #60 11-21-2025, 12:22 PM

I wonder if eBay is seeing any of this and the shill bidding by Rick? Think that was the reason they booted PWCC, was it not. So I would think they would not let Rick return for the same reason.

raulus · #61 11-21-2025, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I wonder if eBay is seeing any of this and the shill bidding by Rick? Think that was the reason they booted PWCC, was it not. So I would think they would not let Rick return for the same reason.

Of all the stuff eBay is focused on, I suspect this situation is at the bottom of their list.

BobbyStrawberry · #62 11-21-2025, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I wonder if eBay is seeing any of this and the shill bidding by Rick? Think that was the reason they booted PWCC, was it not. So I would think they would not let Rick return for the same reason.

eBay will accept him back with open arms.

Exhibitman · #63 11-21-2025, 03:57 PM

Shyt happens...

CardPadre · #64 11-21-2025, 04:02 PM

Now that PSA has proudly and emphatically declared they�re number one on eBay, and with their deeply entrenched relationship with them (the authenticity guarantee), could they influence Probstein�s return to the platform?

And this Snype debacle is getting so much traction online, it�s everywhere�possibly to a degree beyond any previous hobby controversy. Maybe so much so that some consequence is bound to be suffered by someone (other than card collectors) as a result. Who knows.

Peter_Spaeth · #65 11-21-2025, 04:44 PM

Doesn't PSA get paid an authentication fee every time Probstein sells on ebay a card over a certain dollar threshold?

CardPadre · #66 11-21-2025, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Doesn't PSA get paid an authentication fee every time Probstein sells on ebay a card over a certain dollar threshold?

Yeah, certainly. But is that more $ than having no probstein on eBay and subsequently getting more consignment business that may have previously gone to him? I don�t know which is the bigger pot of gold.

Peter_Spaeth · #67 11-21-2025, 04:55 PM

I also have my doubts PSA has much influence over ebay which is what, a company with a $30 billion or more market cap. But I don't know.

premiercardcollectors · #68 11-21-2025, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CardPadre

Yeah, certainly. But is that more $ than having no probstein on eBay and subsequently getting more consignment business that may have previously gone to him? I don�t know which is the bigger pot of gold.

In my opinion, what Rick did deserves punishment and he should be banished from the hobby for at least a couple years to pay for his sins

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premiercardcollectors · #69 11-21-2025, 04:57 PM

The consignment that Rick was going to get is gonna go somewhere else and we�re all gonna see the cards anyway, and hopefully in a more trusted environment.

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4815162342 · #70 11-21-2025, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

That's not really how any of it went down though.

The crash had nothing to do with the data being exposed, other than they were both related to letting AI write your code and not understanding the ramifications of that.

More importantly, even if it was a hack that revealed the shill bidding of the hunnybunny account, I'd say that was a good thing.

Scott, do you know for sure that the site was vibe-coded?

Aquarian Sports Cards · #71 11-21-2025, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

Scott, do you know for sure that the site was vibe-coded?

Would what I know right now hold up in court? No. If I was gong to court do I think I could prove it, mmmmm, probably. I'm not a coder but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.

The AI coding specific tasks and then trying to string them together to make a cohesive site could certainly lead to the weird functionality issues like snipe bids ending auctions early.

If you only tested each function in a vacuum and didn't try every piece of the code in place as a whole it would likely lead to what we saw. There was also information embedded in the code that wasn't part of the code, but telling you what the code was intended to do. That's pretty standard for AI generated code, and completely unnecessary and odd to have in there. No human would ever do that.

chalupacollects · #72 11-21-2025, 06:06 PM

Pretty sure if they are claiming a hack then they will have to offer all registered users free credit monitoring�

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hammertime · #73 11-21-2025, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

There was also information embedded in the code that wasn't part of the code, but telling you what the code was intended to do. That's pretty standard for AI generated code, and completely unnecessary and odd to have in there. No human would ever do that.

Commenting your code is literally best practice and always has been. I'm not saying you're wrong about it being written by AI, but the idea that "no human would ever do that" is not correct.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #74 11-21-2025, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

Commenting your code is literally best practice and always has been. I'm not saying you're wrong about it being written by AI, but the idea that "no human would ever do that" is not correct.

and you'd leave the comments after launch? I understand what you're saying but it seems odd after a product is finished. Maybe since it was early days I'm overreacting to that particular detail as you'd want comments there to help locate bugs. Thanks for the correction

Lorewalker · #75 Yesterday, 01:32 PM

Guys like Probstein are in business and killing it because hobbyists have absolutely no problem compromising themselves in order to get a card they need or one they need at a great price.

If you do not mind that you are buying altered shyt, being shylled or both then all good but if you do actually care, have a little bit of fucking discipline and wait for a legit seller or a legit example. I think both still exist in the hobby.

Lining the pockets of pyeces of shyt like Probstein is pathetic. Did you boys not learn from Brent?

Aquarian Sports Cards · #76 Yesterday, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Guys like Probstein are in business and killing it because hobbyists have absolutely no problem compromising themselves in order to get a card they need or one they need at a great price.

If you do not mind that you are buying altered shyt, being shylled or both then all good but if you do actually care, have a little bit of fucking discipline and wait for a legit seller or a legit example. I think both still exist in the hobby.

Lining the pockets of pyeces of shyt like Probstein is pathetic. Did you boys not learn from Brent?

When it comes to unethical business practices at auctions that's only half the equation though. Certain types of consignors sell through certain auctions because they know they can manipulate the sale without repercussions, or pass bad cards or any one of a bunch of other problematic practices, the allowing of which actually attracts certain consignors.

I am not accusing anyone in particular, just addressing the idea in your post that it's all the buyers' fault.

Peter_Spaeth · #77 Yesterday, 04:01 PM

Very true Scott. And yet people just continue to oooh and aaah over these same auction houses, including on our own beloved forum, no matter how much gets exposed. See concepts 1 and 2 below.

parkplace33 · #78 Yesterday, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Very true Scott. And yet people just continue to oooh and aaah over these same auction houses, including on our own beloved forum, no matter how much gets exposed. See concepts 1 and 2 below.

Concur. Look at the memory lane debacle. Dust in the wind.

Rick will be back and guys will buy from him because he gets the cards.

Johnny630 · #79 Yesterday, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Concur. Look at the memory lane debacle. Dust in the wind.

Rick will be back and guys will buy from him because he gets the cards.

You guys are both correct Drew and Peter. Nobody in our industry is gonna go hard against the fraud because everyone in our industry has benefited from the fraud by being able to sell their items at ultra inflated overvalued prices.

That’s the bottom line. You can’t have it both ways. People will always side with the way that makes them the most money. They will bitch about not being able to get cards anymore, but it doesn’t matter if they already have them and are profiting from their sales based off alleged merda di toro sales.

Lorewalker · #80 Yesterday, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

When it comes to unethical business practices at auctions that's only half the equation though. Certain types of consignors sell through certain auctions because they know they can manipulate the sale without repercussions, or pass bad cards or any one of a bunch of other problematic practices, the allowing of which actually attracts certain consignors.

I am not accusing anyone in particular, just addressing the idea in your post that it's all the buyers' fault.

I was not suggesting that every item consigned is shilled and/or altered. I was also not blaming or condemning all of Probstein's buyers. Many of whom do not care if they are shilled and buying altered cards. I was speaking to those who do care and participate anyway when it is widely known how Probstein operates his business. Plenty of other places to spend one's money that comes with far less risk.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #81 Yesterday, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I was not suggesting that every item consigned is shilled and/or altered. I was also not blaming or condemning all of Probstein's buyers. Many of whom do not care if they are shilled and buying altered cards. I was speaking to those who do care and participate anyway when it is widely known how Probstein operates his business. Plenty of other places to spend one's money that comes with far less risk.

Right, and I would maintain that the same applies to his consignors as well. When you get so big you have people who use your service because you're what they know, not because they are crooked.

I actually helped a friend consign to PWCC years before I got into the business. PWCC was huge and got good prices. Of course we couldn't figure out why his 1965 Mantle in PSA 8 went for $1000 less than a worse centered one in the same grade in the same auction. Duh.

Lorewalker · #82 Yesterday, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Right, and I would maintain that the same applies to his consignors as well. When you get so big you have people who use your service because you're what they know, not because they are crooked.

I actually helped a friend consign to PWCC years before I got into the business. PWCC was huge and got good prices. Of course we couldn't figure out why his 1965 Mantle in PSA 8 went for $1000 less than a worse centered one in the same grade in the same auction. Duh.

I think a lot of us have fallen for that trick more than once.

Peter_Spaeth · #83 Yesterday, 11:50 PM

https://www.sportscardradio.com/1127...bunny-account/

A good summation of the whole thing to date, IMO.

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