1970s baseball pinbacks

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

But there were two different poses of Kessinger.

Yes, there were two different pins of a handful of Cubs, Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Rick Monday, and Ron Santo. My theory is that one of each are 1973 issues and the other half are 1974 issues. I believe the misspelled Hooton, misspelled Kessinger, misspelled Jenkins (Cubs), Santo (Cubs), closeup Cardenal, and closeup Monday are 1973 issues, and the correct Hooton, correct Kessinger, correct Jenkins (Rangers), Santo (White Sox), wide shot Cardenal, and wide shot Monday are 1974 issues.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Yes, there were two different pins of a handful of Cubs, Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Rick Monday, and Ron Santo. My theory is that one of each are 1973 issues and the other half are 1974 issues. I believe the misspelled Hooton, misspelled Kessinger, misspelled Jenkins (Cubs), Santo (Cubs), closeup Cardenal, and closeup Monday are 1973 issues, and the correct Hooton, correct Kessinger, correct Jenkins (Rangers), Santo (White Sox), wide shot Cardenal, and wide shot Monday are 1974 issues.

Yes, but they used the same photo for the Cardenal, Hooten, Monday pins in the other issues, but the Kessinger is an entirely different pose. The Jenkins and Santo changed teams so they had to use different photos.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

Not only has this thread inspired me to start collecting pinbacks and buttons, but is has me interested in two other sets from the 1970s, including one that continued on into the 1980s.

I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978.

Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris

A checklist of the HOF pins. I collect only Giants. Mays and Irvin can be found most everyday on ebay. Marichal is tough, Mize tougher and I'm still looking for a Wilhelm.

3” HOF Pins from Cooperstown

1 Babe Ruth
2 Lou Gehrig
3 Jackie Robinson
4 Hank Greenberg
5 Lou Boudreau
6 Al Kaline
7 Stan Musial
8 Yogi Berra
9 Ernie Banks
10 Ed Mathews
11 Whitey Ford
12 Bob Feller
13 Monte Irvin
14 Roy Campanella
15 Roberto Clemente
16 Bob Lemon
17 Sandy Koufax
18 Willie Mays
19 Bob Gibson
20 Duke Snider
21 Robin Roberts
22 Joe DiMaggio
23 Ted Williams
24 Mickey Mantle
25 Brooks Robinson
26 Frank Robinson
27 Hank Aaron
28 Juan Marichal
29 George Kell
30 Walter Alston
31 Jack Brickhouse
32 Harmon Killebrew
33 Pee Wee Reese
34 Luis Aparicio
35 Don Drysdale
36 ???????
37 Enos Slaughter
38 Johnny Mize
39 Hoyt Wilhelm
40 Lou Brock

[Cliff Bowman]

Just an excuse to get this thread back on the first page, but here is a scan of what I believe is the only one of the fifty confirmed 1971 pins to not have been shown yet on the two pin threads, Marty Pattin, along with the other known Brewers.

[Cliff Bowman]

I noticed that the 1971 Tommy Harper doesn’t have a facsimile signature, all of the other pins do, including versions of the Clemente and the Mays. I wonder if whoever took the photos required the players to sign their names on a sheet of paper so that they can then use the signature on the pins, like Topps did on their sets that had the signatures.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I noticed that the 1971 Tommy Harper doesn’t have a facsimile signature, all of the other pins do, including versions of the Clemente and the Mays. I wonder if whoever took the photos required the players to sign their names on a sheet of paper so that they can then use the signature on the pins, like Topps did on their sets that had the signatures.

It exists with and without a signature. I believe same for the Mays, but I am not positive.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hcv123

It exists with and without a signature. I believe same for the Mays, but I am not positive.

Last page; post #128.

[Mark70Z]

Posted for Clint (ksfarmboy)

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[MK]

Are there other “black box” pins with the team name missing?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

Are there other “black box” pins with the team name missing?

The only ones I ran across searching for them on the web were a handful of Fred Lynn and Jim Rice pins with some B&W and at least one of both of them on the pin together, none of them had BOSTON or RED SOX printed on them so I decided not to add them to the checklist. They would have to be 1975 at the earliest.

[Cliff Bowman]

I was watching King Of The Hill on YouTube, a documentary about Fergie Jenkins and the 1972 Cubs, when I noticed on one of the videos to the right a screen shot of Steve Blass that caught my eye. It was a documentary about the 1971 Pirates and the screen shot was obviously from the studio setting that these 1971 pins used. I figured I would watch the whole thing to see if they used any other photos from the studio setting and sure enough I spotted three more, Bill Mazeroski, Bob Robertson, and Vic Davalillo. Apparently many of the Pirates posed for these photos but the only one known made into a pin is Roberto Clemente.

[ooo-ribay]

Very cool find, Eagle Eye!

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I was watching King Of The Hill on YouTube, a documentary about Fergie Jenkins and the 1972 Cubs, when I noticed on one of the videos to the right a screen shot of Steve Blass that caught my eye. It was a documentary about the 1971 Pirates and the screen shot was obviously from the studio setting that these 1971 pins used. I figured I would watch the whole thing to see if they used any other photos from the studio setting and sure enough I spotted three more, Bill Mazeroski, Bob Robertson, and Vic Davalillo. Apparently many of the Pirates posed for these photos but the only one known made into a pin is Roberto Clemente.

Do you think someone used the photos without the photographer’s permission and was ordered to stop mid production?

[ksfarmboy]

Great find Cliff!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

Do you think someone used the photos without the photographer’s permission and was ordered to stop mid production?

I think that is entirely possibe.

Or not.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think that is entirely possibe.

Or not.

I shared much of the back story on the pins a while back (in this thread I think). Another piece to the story is there was a dinner in Pittsburgh celebrating the Pirates WS victory and there were a number of the Pirates shot by this photographer that were blown up to use for the dinner. I don't know which Pirates were included and which not. But there were a bunch that were definitely photographed by the same photographer. I have not seen any other Pirate pins(but Clemente).

[Cliff Bowman]

No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.

I saw that lot on ebay. You got a good deal. I considered going for it even though I didn’t need any of them just to resell, but I’m glad you got it to add to your collection. I need a couple of the ones you need so if they ever come up, we will probably fight it out. 😂

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

I saw that lot on ebay. You got a good deal. I considered going for it even though I didn’t need any of them just to resell, but I’m glad you got it to add to your collection. I need a couple of the ones you need so if they ever come up, we will probably fight it out. 😂

I was shocked it went for that little. Apparently the guy who has killed me on these Cubs pins over the past nine months or so, Mr. Big, didn't need or want any of them.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.

I have a Johnny Mize HOF pin that was autographed. The sig wiped off super easily.....but I don’t remember what “solvent” I used.

Isopropyl alcohol, maybe?

[thansen30]

from a 2018 Hake's auction of Paul Muchinski pins, we can now add Maury Wills to the list

[Cliff Bowman]

That's awesome! A second Dodger. I'm guessing it's a 3" version in juxtaposition to the pin on the left of it.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I have a Johnny Mize HOF pin that was autographed. The sig wiped off super easily.....but I don’t remember what “solvent” I used.

Isopropyl alcohol, maybe?

There was a 1969 MLB 3.5" Ron Santo color pin that I need on eBay for the longest time a couple of years ago, the problem was that is was signed by Santo in sharpie or magic marker and the seller wanted $400 for it. When he eventually came down to $300 I decided that I was going to buy it and try to remove the signature from the clear plastic cover on the pin. Unfortunately someone else got it while I was putting $300 together at the time. It's just as well, I would have dreaded trying to remove Santo's signature. I still need that pin . The scan is from WorthPoint.

[thansen30]

also I love that Santo appears to be wearing Glenn Beckert's helmet on that pin . . .

[71buc]

Occassionally I lose my collecting focus and wander off in a different direction. I am considering collecting these pins as they are not as pedestrian as many of the other 1970s pins. I have the Clemente and would like to add the other Hall of Famers. The Clemente is obviously difficult to find. Does anyone have any insight into the relative rarity of the rest?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Occassionally I lose my collecting focus and wander off in a different direction. I am considering collecting these pins as they are not as pedestrian as many of the other 1970s pins. I have the Clemente and would like to add the other Hall of Famers. The Clemente is obviously difficult to find. Does anyone have any insight into the relative rarity of the rest?

Hall of Famers? Mays is super tough (and expensive).

[ooo-ribay]

Without doing any real research....based on my "gut"....the Hall of Famers have been bolded.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

Who needs to be added/deleted?

[71buc]

Thanks Rob, I picked up an Ernie Banks and Frank Robinson last week. I see 11 total HOF members total on the list of known pins. Are any of them more difficult to find than the others?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Thanks Rob, I picked up an Ernie Banks and Frank Robinson last week. I see 11 total HOF members total on the list of known pins. Are any of them more difficult to find than the others?

Not sure. Nothing matters except the Giants!

[71buc]

Sorry Rob no Giants or Bucs for that matter! I picked up these two last week they arrived today.

[thansen30]

looks like you got the 3" matte Ernie Banks and the 3.5" glossy Robinson.
I consider the 3" version to be the "standard" for this series, based on the theory that the pin I bought outside of Wrigley in 1971 was the 3" Pepitone.
you'll notice that the 3.5" versions aren't as sharp, and have a gloss laminate on them; also there is an additional 3.5" version that uses different signatures; these are decidedly inferior, especially when you compare them with the 3" beauties with the brown ink signatures
ALL of them are scarce, frankly. some of the players listed above are evidenced by only a single known example

[71buc]

Thanks for the information. You are correct the Banks image is much more defined and clear. My Clemente is the same size as the Robinson and has the cover. I know there is a version without the autograph. Do you know if it comes in a smaller version as well?

[thansen30]

Don't know for sure about the Clemente, having never even seen one IRL. but it APPEARS that there is a 3" version . . .

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Without doing any real research....based on my "gut"....the Hall of Famers have been bolded.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

Who needs to be added/deleted?

Luis Aparicio and Billy Williams are HOFer’s , Vida Blue, Boog Powell, and Frank Howard are not. Also, Tom Hansen discovered the Maury Wills Dodgers pin recently and it needs to be added to the checklist.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Luis Aparicio and Billy Williams are HOFer’s , Vida Blue, Boog Powell, and Frank Howard are not.

But Harold Baines is. SMH.

New list:

Hall of Famers have been bolded.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen, Wills.

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

Who needs to be added/deleted?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

But Harold Baines is. SMH.

If Baines was in this set would you have bolded him?

[Cliff Bowman]

Time to update the checklist, ooo-ribay. I figured that there were more White Sox considering how many Cubs there are, and I found a eBay listing where someone got a steal on a large lot of them, $30. I would have been sick if it was Cubs instead. The new players are Mike Andrews, Tom Bradley, and Ed Hermann. I would suspect there are a few more White Sox to be discovered. ETA: I just noticed that the White Sox pins have severe rusting on the back but it was still a good deal.

[ooo-ribay]

New list:

Hall of Famers have been bolded.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen, Wills.

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 53 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

[Bobmc]

Rob,

An addition to your list:

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Bobmc

Rob,

An addition to your list:

Nice Joe Horlen, Bob! How big is this pinback?
Keep an eye out for one of these Bad Boys for me...

[Bobmc]

Scott,

Thank you.
Will do!
This is the first one I've ever seen. I didn't even know one existed. It's 3 inches.

[ooo-ribay]

New list:

Hall of Famers have been bolded.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen, Wills.

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, Horlen, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 54 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

[Cliff Bowman]

Already known and not in hand yet, I spotted it on eBay with a very reasonable Buy-It-Now and couldn't hit the PayPal payment possibly any faster. I still need Johnny Callison, Jose Ortiz, and the 3.5" Ernie Banks, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Ken Holtzman or a Jim Hickman are eventually discovered.

[thansen30]

fantastic find! eBay did NOT alert me to this special nugget. (or the white sox specimens posted last year). sigh. lends hope that there are others

[ooo-ribay]

I love this series of pins….so random and mysterious.

I’d still like to see a picture of the rumored Gaylord Perry pin a member claims to have (or have had). I’m not really convinced that one exists.

[thansen30]

I went to the Chicago NATIONAL in August (2021) specifically seeking out more of these pins. I brought a sample along to jog vendors' memories . . . and didn't find a single example. They seem to be getting harder to find!

[Chris-Counts]

After discovering these pins a few years ago through this thread, and searching high and low, I've found exactly three of them, so I have no doubt they are tough. A couple weeks ago, I missed a Jim Palmer pin with a BIN by just seconds ...

[71buc]

A collector in a Clemente Facebook group just shared this pic with me. He doesn’t own them they reside in the collection of one of his friends. Sorry for the poor quality. Nonetheless it appears that there may be 4 Clemente versions: 2.5”, 3”, 3.5”, and the 3.5” previously shared by Howard without the autograph. (Also pictured) I shared this link with him hoping that he or his friend can post better photos.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by 71buc

A collector in a Clemente Facebook group just shared this pic with me. He doesn’t own them they reside in the collection of one of his friends. Sorry for the poor quality. Nonetheless it appears that there may be 4 Clemente versions: 2.5”, 3”, 3.5”, and the 3.5” previously shared by Howard without the autograph. (Also pictured) I shared this link with him hoping that he or his friend can post better photos.

I’d love to see a better picture, too, because the smallest pin looks like it could possibly be a knock-off. Maybe, maybe not….

[71buc]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I’d love to see a better picture, too, because the smallest pin looks like it could possibly be a knock-off. Maybe, maybe not….

I agree Rob