1970s baseball pinbacks

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

I somehow missed this thread during its first eight years, but I discovered it about two weeks ago. After reading it, I decided I needed one of these beauties for my completely unfocused collection, so I dove into eBay to see what I could find. I really have no idea what they are worth. My search (I tried many keywords) turned up only two of them, an Ernie Banks for $250 and a Vida Blue for $30. Since Vida was one of my boyhood favorites, the choice was easy.

Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:

A seller recently had the 3 1/2” version of the Ernie Banks up on eBay, I tried to snipe $300 but was outbid .

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

A seller recently had the 3 1/2” version of the Ernie Banks up on eBay, I tried to snipe $300 but was outbid .

Wow !

Something tells me a Doug Griffin brings a little less.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.

There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.

Yes, the second Williams pin is the type I am referring to (assuming it has the metal back rather than the cardboard easel back), thanks for confirming it exists.

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Originally Posted by bigj7489

Kicking myself right now...

A few years back I saw a bunch of these in a bin, a buck each or so, at a twice-annual Peddler's Faire in Coarsegold, CA.

Kick yourself a little more. This guy just went for $411 on ebay.

[71buc]

I paid $500 for mine a couple of years ago. I was after this one too but couldn't pull the trigger for a duplicate. For what its worth, I believe this is only the 4th one of these I have ever seen. There is also a version that does not have the autograph. I have only seen one of those.

[ooo-ribay]

Also, FWIW, I think these can be narrowed done to 1969-72 based on the players included.

[thansen30]

i passed on that clemente because of the back: it is stamped with something like "pat pending made in USA" and the pin bracket is different than any other i've seen. that makes it the only pin from this "series" with any kind of stamping on it. odd.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by thansen30

i passed on that clemente because of the back: it is stamped with something like "pat pending made in USA" and the pin bracket is different than any other i've seen. that makes it the only pin from this "series" with any kind of stamping on it. odd.

That Clemente is the glossy 3 1/2" version, it matches up perfectly with the three Cubs glossy 3 1/2" pins that I have, Beckert, Pepitone, and Santo. The one on the left is the Clemente, the one on the right is an Ernie Banks that I was outbid on.

[thansen30]

Upon further review, all of my 3.5" glossy examples DO have that stamping. so that clemente fits right in with the other 3.5"s ...

[71buc]

The seller of the Clemente Pinback sold this Seaver last night for $103.50

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by 71buc

The seller of the Clemente Pinback sold this Seaver last night for $103.50

Great looking Seaver!

[thansen30]

. . . and the buyer of that Seaver was me. More than i wanted to spend, but a great self-serve Christmas gift!

[whiteymet]

Hi Guys:

I have a Billy Conigliaro pin from this set. Open to offers PM me. Sorry for the bad photo

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

OK....so I'm a little OCD.

Here's the updated updated, properly alphabetized and sub-alphabetized.

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard(?).

White Sox - Richard

Looks like 41 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.

Awesome! He was only a Dodger in 1971, so is that THE year?

If anyone ever runs into any of the guys in this set, they should ask that guy if they remember anything about these photo shoots. Who, when, where?

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A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard(?).

White Sox - Richard

Looks like 42 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard(?).

White Sox - Richard

Looks like 42 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

The mystery just keeps getting bigger. One might think there is some connection to the Chicago area given the large number of Cubs and Brewers. There’s a pin of Jose Ortiz for goodness sakes! Talk about obscure. Yet the White Sox only have Lee Richard. Another obscure player. And the Red Sox are well represented. One Met and one Dodger now known and no Yankees. Very strange. Looking forward to seeing if more examples surface.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

The mystery just keeps getting bigger. One might think there is some connection to the Chicago area given the large number of Cubs and Brewers. There’s a pin of Jose Ortiz for goodness sakes! Talk about obscure. Yet the White Sox only have Lee Richard. Another obscure player. And the Red Sox are well represented. One Met and one Dodger now known and no Yankees. Very strange. Looking forward to seeing if more examples surface.

Lotsa Red Sox. too.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I’m sure one of you guys saw this, but there was a Cubs player button from this series that was pinned on a pennant I came across. There was another button too, but not from this series. It was on eBay last week I believe.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I’m sure one of you guys saw this, but there was a Cubs player button from this series that was pinned on a pennant I came across. There was another button too, but not from this series. It was on eBay last week I believe.

I saw it. I think it was Kessinger. Not positive, but I know it wasn’t one we haven’t seen before.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I think you’re right.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:

I also have a Mays w/o signature.

[ksfarmboy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I also have a Mays w/o signature.

Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂

Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.

[MK]

Originally Posted by ksfarmboy

Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂

Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.

Here’s the Cubs I have.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ksfarmboy

Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂

Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.

I obviously wish I had a better one with signature. Both are 3" matte finish.

[ksfarmboy]

Mike that’s a good start! Rob those are amazing. Thanks for sharing guys! I’ll post the Orioles group I have tomorrow.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.

89 bucks for Allen. I never even knew he was a D**ger.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

89 bucks for Allen. I never even knew he was a D**ger.

The 1971 Billy Williams 3.5" glossy pin from the same seller sold for $130, I would have bid a lot more on it but I wanted to make sure that I won the 1970 MLBPA b&w pin of Johnny Callison from the same seller that unfortunately ended after the Williams pin and I had no idea how high the bidding would go on it. At least I finally got the Callison Cubs pin after several years of getting outbid on it and replaced my 1970 Randy Hundley MLBPA b&w pin that rusted out on me from that estate auction.

[Cliff Bowman]

Someone got a wonderful early Christmas present on this $15 eBay Buy-It-Now . I don't know how many times over the years on eBay I have seen an uninformed seller lose big money on a way too low Buy-It-Now or if someone who knows what the item is really worth gives them a lowball offer and they take it. I admit that I have taken advantage of both when I have had the opportunity so I guess I can't complain.

[bocca001]

Not sure if you guys have discussed this or not, but the mark on the back of this pin indicates that it was made by ASCO (who also made pennants, and is discussed in the pennant blog below).

https://pennantfever.weebly.com

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Someone got a wonderful early Christmas present on this $15 eBay Buy-It-Now . I don't know how many times over the years on eBay I have seen an uninformed seller lose big money on a way too low Buy-It-Now or if someone who knows what the item is really worth gives them a lowball offer and they take it. I admit that I have taken advantage of both when I have had the opportunity so I guess I can't complain.

Who is that? Jose Ortiz?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Who is that? Jose Ortiz?

Yes, worth 99 cents to most collectors but worth way more than that to a few.

[thansen30]

That ASCO clue is the first progress we've had towards tracking down the origins. But, that mark only appears on the large, glossy versions--there are no markings at all on the smaller pins. Makes me think the small ones were released in 1971 (not by ASCO) and the larger pins reproduced and released by ASCO later . . .

[Cliff Bowman]

I figured that there was more than likely a 1971 Johnny Callison Cubs pin in this set, and while searching vintage Cubs pins on Google I stumbled upon Heritage Auctions Past Sales and found a couple of interesting scans. I also found a previously unknown (to me anyway) Randy Hundley 1973 black box pin, but that belongs in the other pins thread.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I figured that there was more than likely a 1971 Johnny Callison Cubs pin in this set, and while searching vintage Cubs pins on Google I stumbled upon Heritage Auctions Past Sales and found a couple of interesting scans. I also found a previously unknown (to me anyway) Randy Hundley 1973 black box pin, but that belongs in the other pins thread.

Great find, Cliff. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wastes time with memorabilia searches on Google. What did that huge lot go for?

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard(?).

White Sox - Richard

Looks like 43 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great find, Cliff. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wastes time with memorabilia searches on Google. What did that huge lot go for?

Each scan was a separate lot, both lots were won back in April 2012 on Heritage, the cooler lot with this Callison pin went for $227 with BP and the other lot went for $179 with BP. Whenever I have looked at past sales of cool items from auction houses before I would often be shocked at how little they went for, I always believed they would have gone much higher if they were on eBay because there would be many more interested eyes on them. I'm sure that I have missed out on many rare underpriced items that I need over the years from these auction houses because I had no idea they were available and I am not signed up with any auction houses.

[ooo-ribay]

Gotta think there was “break value” in both those lots.

[Cliff Bowman]

While searching WorthPoint for possible star and semi star pins for this set that haven't been documented yet the last thing I expected to find were three new White Sox players, Tommy John, Bill Melton, and Rick Reichardt. I have a feeling there are more White Sox players to be found.

[Cliff Bowman]

At least this one isn't a White Sox player, here's a scan of Frank Howard from WorthPoint to confirm that it exists.

[Cliff Bowman]

Found another Sox player but this one is Red, Sonny Siebert.

[hcv123]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=166056&page=6

There are references to these pins starting form post 125 in the linked thread. I believe there are 2 different Red Sox issues - 1 that is part of the issue being discussed ( I owned a Yaz) and one that look similar, but was different and is a bit more plentiful - partially explaining why people tend to see more Red Sox that they believe are part of this issue. The image quality is not as good on the alternative Red Sox one.

[Chris-Counts]

Not only has this thread inspired me to start collecting pinbacks and buttons, but is has me interested in two other sets from the 1970s, including one that continued on into the 1980s.

I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978. The Oscar Gamble button and a couple hundred others likely come from about 1978 to 1981. There are others that clearly come from later than 1981, but the photos aren't nearly as good.

By the way, the early 1970s set, with the black nameplates, includes some of the same Cubs images as the 1971 set.

Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris

[Cliff Bowman]

Just about burned out looking for these on WorthPoint but did find another Brewer, Phil Roof.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978. The Oscar Gamble button and a couple hundred others likely come from about 1978 to 1981. There are others that clearly come from later than 1981, but the photos aren't nearly as good.
Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris

A member here, DaClyde, has an excellent checklist of the 1978-198? numbered baseball pins including the Hall Of Fame set, I have contributed a few to it as I find them on the internet. https://clydes-stalecards.blogspot.c...rts-photo.html

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

By the way, the early 1970s set, with the black nameplates, includes some of the same Cubs images as the 1971 set

You're right, they also reused the images on the Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, and Billy Williams pins. I wouldn't be surprised if they also did it with at least Glenn Beckert. Note that both Jenkins and Kessinger have their names misspelled.

[ooo-ribay]

You are "on it," Cliff! Latest list looks like:

A's - Blue

Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.

Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.

Dodgers - Allen

Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).

Mets - Seaver.

Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.

Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).

Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)

Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.

Senators - McClain, Howard.

White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard

Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

You're right, they also reused the images on the Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, and Billy Williams pins. I wouldn't be surprised if they also did it with at least Glenn Beckert. Note that both Jenkins and Kessinger have their names misspelled.

But there were two different poses of Kessinger.