Need Opinions on Jackie Robinson Pin back

[g&m sales]

is this fake or is it real

how old and what is value

measures 3 inches across

appreciate any insight

[GrayGhost]

Fake IMO and artificially aged

[ooo-ribay]

Anything old would have a straight (non-safety) pin.

[g&m sales]

THANKS for the insight I got snookered today then 80 bucks later at a local antique show

lesson learned and appreciate the education about the non safety pin ribay

will know better next time

[icollectDCsports]

While it may have been made after Robinson's playing days, I'm not sure I'd call it fake unless we know it's a repro of a pinback made during that earlier time. (Do we know this?) But it also could be a pinback that was made for the first time after he finished playing, either for a special event of some kind or just generally to honor his career. In that case, it may be original but not as old as you'd like.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Anything old would have a straight (non-safety) pin.

Well not necessarly. Here are just 2 examples (I know are real) 1929 cubs and 1941 dodgers. The style of pin back was know as a bayonette style pin. Very common on the 2 1/2 to 4 inch pins. Note on the 1941 just about the same as the Robinson. BUT in this case that Robinson pin was a pin probably made in the late 80s or 90s. The front tells more of the story than the back. And yes I would also say it was aged also. Cool piece but not vintage and not worth $80. A 5-8 dollar piece at best.

[jbsports33]

Not a pin I have seen before, I almost purchased a Ruth pin I have never seen and glad I did not as it turned out to be a fake - sometimes you win with pins and sometimes it can be tough when you find out the bad news

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Well not necessarly. Here are just 2 examples (I know are real) 1929 cubs and 1941 dodgers. The style of pin back was know as a bayonette style pin. Very common on the 2 1/2 to 4 inch pins. Note on the 1941 just about the same as the Robinson. BUT in this case that Robinson pin was a pin probably made in the late 80s or 90s. The front tells more of the story than the back. And yes I would also say it was aged also. Cool piece but not vintage and not worth $80. A 5-8 dollar piece at best.

Great point, Al. My bad in that I was thinking of mostly 1.75" PM -10s and really don't have any older, LARGE pins.

[sporteq]

I think the pin is from 60s/70s not dating back to his playing days.

Albert

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great point, Al. My bad in that I was thinking of mostly 1.75" PM -10s and really don't have any older, LARGE pins.

Hi Rob,
I was going by what he said that the pin he had was 3 inches. But (This is when you know you have collected for a long time) There are 1 3/4 stadium player pins that do have and were made in both styles, straight pin and bayonette style they are rare but do exist. The phillies seemed to make them more than any other teams did. Here are 2 examples. Both are vintage and both are different style... The bayonette style ones are very rare but like I said do exist..

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Hi Rob,
I was going by what he said that the pin he had was 3 inches. But (This is when you know you have collected for a long time) There are 1 3/4 stadium player pins that do have and were made in both styles, straight pin and bayonette style they are rare but do exist. The phillies seemed to make them more than any other teams did. Here are 2 examples. Both are vintage and both are different style... The bayonette style ones are very rare but like I said do exist..

WOW! Love the knowledge I get here.

[joshleland]

Just saw this post. I am happy to report that I have had this pin before, and i know it's exact origin. This was a promo piece used as a fund raiser for the Jackie Robinson Foundation. I had just one of two of them that I obtained from Rachel Robinson in the early 90s. Not a lot of them were made and I believe I had one other from another source but of that I am not 100%. It may have been that I got them on two different occasions. I sold them for 100-150$ back at the time I got them. I doubt I kept one although i do keep some Jackie stuff. I always liked it though as it is a great looking pin. I later dated it, I believe around 1988 based on another piece like a poster with the same design. That was a slogan of the Foundation. It could have been for the first JRF Jazz Concert but that is just a distant thought, don't count on it. It could be their first big fundraising program although the foundation predates that. But I'm 110% sure about the source, authenticity and general age. I recall they came in a sealed plastic bag. I do not believe this was aged either as the front is unaffected. Not a bad buy at 80$, as its a true rarity and condition of the front is nice. Generally pin collectors care a lot less about mount rust except for P2's of when deciding between two identical condition pieces except for the back rust. I believe one of the posters was hanging at the old JRF offices by the Empire State Building of else I saw it in the archive. The JRF is downtown now.

I have handled all the memorabilia dealings for Rachel Robinson from the 1980s to this day. She probably gave them to me cause I asked. There were always a couple lying around the offices. She gave me some pretty cool stuff over the years and I sold stuff that is up there with pieces in the Smithsonian let alone our little hobby. Sure I wish I had it all back but I never look back. What I do look back on is that Lelands' relationship with Rachel Robinson is one of my proudest accomplishments. I was there with Rachel and her children at the 42 movie premiere and I had recalled how badly she always wanted a quality, successful film of Jackie's life. Ultimately, having that dream come true and sharing it with her in some small way was sweet. That is a night I'll never forget.

Joshua Leland Evans
Chairman
Lelands.com

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by joshleland

Just saw this post. I am happy to report that I have had this pin before, and i know it's exact origin. This was a promo piece used as a fund raiser for the Jackie Robinson Foundation. I had just one of two of them that I obtained from Rachel Robinson in the early 90s. Not a lot of them were made and I believe I had one other from another source but of that I am not 100%. It may have been that I got them on two different occasions. I sold them for 100-150$ back at the time I got them. I doubt I kept one although i do keep some Jackie stuff. I always liked it though as it is a great looking pin. I later dated it, I believe around 1988 based on another piece like a poster with the same design. That was a slogan of the Foundation. It could have been for the first JRF Jazz Concert but that is just a distant thought, don't count on it. It could be their first big fundraising program although the foundation predates that. But I'm 110% sure about the source, authenticity and general age. I recall they came in a sealed plastic bag. I do not believe this was aged either as the front is unaffected. Not a bad buy at 80$, as its a true rarity and condition of the front is nice. Generally pin collectors care a lot less about mount rust except for P2's of when deciding between two identical condition pieces except for the back rust. I believe one of the posters was hanging at the old JRF offices by the Empire State Building of else I saw it in the archive. The JRF is downtown now.

I have handled all the memorabilia dealings for Rachel Robinson from the 1980s to this day. She probably gave them to me cause I asked. There were always a couple lying around the offices. She gave me some pretty cool stuff over the years and I sold stuff that is up there with pieces in the Smithsonian let alone our little hobby. Sure I wish I had it all back but I never look back. What I do look back on is that Lelands' relationship with Rachel Robinson is one of my proudest accomplishments. I was there with Rachel and her children at the 42 movie premiere and I had recalled how badly she always wanted a quality, successful film of Jackie's life. Ultimately, having that dream come true and sharing it with her in some small way was sweet. That is a night I'll never forget.

Joshua Leland Evans
Chairman
Lelands.com

Hi Josh,
Hope all is well with you. Like I had said 80s or 90s and thanks for giving the info on where it came from. But as for condition front has lots of rust spots and is crushed in 2 places, as a collector that would turn me off right away. Might be a rare piece per say but as an advanced pin collector it wouldnt be in my top 10.. and as for price I guess that would be up to the person buying it but $80 and above for it would be a stretch in my opinion..

[ooo-ribay]

Great info, Josh! Thanks!

On a related note, Paul Muchinsky has revived his long dormant pinback blog with some great info about the JR/Brooklyn Eagle pinback. Unfortunately, his post is incomplete and is cut off at the end as if he hit "submit" too soon...

[g&m sales]

Josh I appreciate your insight especially and this corresponds directly with what the vendor told me when he said that he got it from the Jackie Robinson Foundation I just thought that was a lie but you have just confirmed it for me Thank You very much