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Old 11-15-2025, 07:34 PM
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This is an idea that has been floated by Jon's Sportscards & Collectables. I think it's badly needed now (after Jim Beckett's Shill Bid admission) and wondering how an SRO can be put together?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkl...FWhn-NZ4AaABAg
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Old 11-15-2025, 07:44 PM
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This is an idea that has been floated by Jon's Sportscards & Collectables. I think it's badly needed now (after Jim Beckett's Shill Bid admission) and wondering how an SRO can be put together?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkl...FWhn-NZ4AaABAg
Yes... saw that video and agreed. And the SRC should start by addressing Third Party Grading and shill bidding.
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Old 11-15-2025, 07:47 PM
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Good idea, I have no idea how it gets implemented though.
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Old 11-15-2025, 09:37 PM
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No. If they shill bid or you don’t agree with third party graders don’t use them., last thing needed is more regulations.
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Old 11-15-2025, 09:53 PM
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How would anybody regulate this mess?

At best, it would be nice if all TPGs used an industry standard for grading. Yes, the grading systems are close, but it would be nice if all aspects of grading were the same across all TPGs. Problem is, they'd still screw it up anyway because subjectivity is just so broad and that includes graders because everyone is different.

We'd be naive to believe that shill bidding is only a problem for the sports card auctions.

After a collectors commission is established, you can count on there being some BS cronyism where the people at the top figure a way to line their pockets.
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Consumer protection via trade organizations "self regulating" through shared rules is a thing that works (National Association of Realtors, for example), but it's real hard to get off the ground.

In more modern times you tend to need an outrageous scandal or the government breathing down the industry's neck to get this kind of thing going.

The hobby has had more than a few seemingly somewhat regular outrageous scandals on the dealer side along with a current monopolization of licensing rights from the producer side...and the hobby keeps churning with a shrug.

I dunno if there's anyone or anything strong enough to get the industry players to blink and agree to even explore such a thing, much less signing onto it.
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Like most things, the concept seems brilliant, but the execution could be near impossible.

My guess is that it would take a lot of work to get us all to agree on the rules.

Once you get there, then good luck enforcing them. Will a stern finger wag or public outing here be enough to keep anyone in line? And that’s assuming that you even have some way to discover the shenanigans, not to mention proving it.
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No. If they shill bid or you don’t agree with third party graders don’t use them., last thing needed is more regulations.
^^A huge +1^^

Plus it is hilarious to read all the scammer stories. Then who says it doesn't end up like the eBay fraud team that had members that were the worst offenders. One of those former members still has an unlimited supply of sun faded cards he claims are rare errors.
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I miss the days when every collector was forced to use a combination of their own knowledge and predominantly buying from trusted dealers in an effort to avoid pitfalls. It's amazing how our hobby/industry was a forerunner in how the world is devolving, blindly relying on external answers without bothering to do any additional research on the matter at hand. What's next for the industry, ChatTPG?

Slab, slab, slab. Flip, flip, flip. Grade, grade, grade. I don't grasp how someone with a large collection can stand all that excess clunky plastic and weight, not to mention how much more room it would all take up.

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