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Today, 09:12 AM
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No. And no. Setting aside what he's best known for, even his stats don't quite cut it for me. I'll eat my hat if he gets more than 2 votes.
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Today, 09:51 AM
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No, no. He’s a borderline choice, a low end HOFer if he makes it. Doubt he gets anywhere even if he makes a committee ballot. Unlike Jackson and Rose it’s not clear he would be in if he hadn’t rigged games or bet. I think we should be done with deadball pitchers at this point.
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Today, 10:23 AM
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Today, 10:47 AM
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Cicotte I think falls in that group of pitchers where it seems almost random why someone is in and someone is not. Why are Rube Marquard and Jack Chesbro in and not Babe Adams, Wilbur Cooper, Jesse Tannehill, Wes Ferrell, etc., etc.?
That being said, if you have any faith in Baseball Reference rankings, he is nestled right there with several HOFers.
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Today, 11:04 AM
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Chesbro is in bc of 1 amazing season and Marquard bc he played in a New York market (as did Chesbro) and was one of those Veterans Committee elections that Frankie Fisch pushed with his click to get a lot of former Giants and Cardinals in that probably didnt deserve it
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Today, 11:08 AM
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He's borderline with a high peak. There are worse pitchers in and better ones not.
If you give him credit for another solid 2 years or so, he's in. If you don't.. he's not.
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Today, 10:27 AM
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Borderline candidate
some credit him with inventing the knuckleball and based on the fact that Candy Cummings is in the HOF for just "inventing" the curve ball you could argue that is enough...but Cicotte had good peak years and solid career ERA w borderline win total. I'd vote for Cicotte but doubt he gets 5 votes which is required to stay on the ballot. Cicotte's role in the 1919 WS fix is much more damnable than Joe Jackson's which should hurt Cicotte's chances Cicotte was a primary and possibly THE primary fixer as many believe it was his idea.
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Today, 10:35 AM
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No and No. I also think that Shoeless Joe doesn't get in as well.
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Today, 11:46 AM
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and eligible does not mean deserving and eligible does not take away to me the degree of the guilt/involvment of his role in the Fix
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