Early rack packs

[deweyinthehall]

TCDB has images of racks for 1960 and 1961, but nothing for 1962-1965.

Do we know whether Topps produced them in these years?

[jmoran19]

There is one known 62 and 63 rak. I believe I have photo of sell sheets showing for 1964 too.

[Cliff Bowman]

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[deweyinthehall]

So from all this, I assume there MUST have been racks in 64 and 65.

Thanks for all this great imagery!

I had thought groceries also started in 1966, but I know that's not true. Anyone know when they started?

[Rich Klein]

Way back in the day a friend of mine swore he bought rak packs of final series 1957 cards

[jmoran19]

1964 sell sheet showing a rak pak

[jmoran19]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Way back in the day a friend of mine swore he bought rak packs of final series 1957 cards

Sounds legit, I have this pic of a 57 FB rak

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Interesting! A total of 36 cards but no gum for 29 cents in 1962-63. But how many cards with gum were included in American nickel packs in 1962-63? In Canadian nickel packs there were only four cards with the gum.

[jchcollins]

The only known (to my knowledge) legit unopened ‘63 Rack sold in 2018 at an off-name AH (Morphy’s?) for $9,600.

I want to say in the past that Vintage Breaks on YT has opened ‘57 cellos before, but I don’t recall a ‘57 rack pack.


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[GasHouseGang]

The only rack packs I've seen for some of these years are the Christmas repacks.

[tulsaboy]

Those Christmas racks are a total scam. Still being made, every day, and selling on ebay and at local shows to unsuspecting schmucks. They are worthless as unopened items.
kevin

[deweyinthehall]

Has the source of the Christmas raks ever been determined? I know none were issued by Topps - but I recall that their origins may stretch back decades - haven't some big (if well handled) pulls come out of them? Could they have been both 1) a 'legitimate' 3rd party repackage way back in the day (60s-70s) AND 2) a current scam?

[tulsaboy]

People keep trying to "will" the Christmas racks into legitimacy, with all sorts of fanciful claims about particular staples, wear on the rack edges, which cardboard is the "right" cardboard, etc. The reality is that there are absolutely zero contemporary sources that prove that the Christmas racks were packaged close in time to the production of the cards. They appeared out of nowhere with Mark Murphy several years ago, and then have proliferated. The fact that you can now find Christmas racks with Topps, Fleer, Donruss, and even traded cards as late as 1986 is a pretty good indicator that these are still being made today in somebody's basement. Some folks have tried to say that they "clearly remember seeing these decades ago," but nobody can show off any contemporaneous photos, documents, etc. that back up the claim. If they really were legitimate, and if they really were as common as the sheer modern volume of them makes it seem, someone would have been able to show off a Christmas morning photo from 1965 with a handful of them by now. If you're active on the Vintage Wax and Packs Facebook page, where a number of significant unopened collectors hang out, you would be able to follow the conversations that have been ongoing about these racks. The community consensus is that they are fraudulent, and are worth whatever the value might be of the cards that you can see. Thus far, anytime they are opened on camera, there are no "hits" inside the racks. The best cards are always on the fronts and backs, making pretty clear that they are concocted with the intent to defraud.
kevin

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

The only rack packs I've seen for some of these years are the Christmas repacks.

Is that a shot of your collection?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Is that a shot of your collection?

No, those are from a Mile High Card Company auction. Here is the link:

https://www.milehighcardco.com/excep...-lot53254.aspx

[Balticfox]

So $68.765 per fake rack pack. How many cards are there in each pack?

If the cards were all of vending box quality, perhaps it wasn't a bad purchase by the buyer. How much do commons from each of these years fetch these days?