REA catalog just arrived…. almost as fun as the old time Sears Christmas

[Belfast1933]

I always enjoyed receiving the REA auction catalog, but it’s especially fun now given the connection. I’ve been lucky enough to have with these Morehouse baking cards.

Hats off to Brian Dwyer for being every bit excellent partner to us as we hoped and expected he would be.

I may just end up buying back a few of these for my own collection!

Jeff Gross

[BigfootIsReal]

How did you get a cat? What does the 48' Blue Tint Jackie SGC 8 look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

How did you get a cat? What does the 47' Bond Bread Jackie SGC look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

Does it look like this?

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Does it look like this?

Oh shit! That's a monster

My bad tho It was a 48' Blue Tint Jackie in an SGC 8

[calvindog]

Wow, that's a high grade for that card.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Does it look like this?

Since my birthday is close to Christmas, what are the chances on you giving this to me?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

How did you get a cat? What does the 48' Blue Tint Jackie SGC 8 look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

Jeff (the OP) was involved with helping bring this discovery to our collecting planet and eventually to REA. Below is his recent posting about this hobby dream:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=355043

And a great Sports Collectors Daily article that discusses these cards and how they came to the market:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...eading-to-rea/

So I think Jeff deserves a little catalog preferential treatment. It sure would be fun to be associated with something featured on the front AND back cover of a REA catalog.


Brian

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Jeff (the OP) was involved with helping bring this discovery to our collecting planet and eventually to REA. Below is his recent posting about this hobby dream:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=355043

And a great Sports Collectors Daily article that discusses these cards and how they came to the market:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...eading-to-rea/

So I think Jeff deserves a little catalog preferential treatment. It sure would be fun to be associated with something featured on the front AND back cover of a REA catalog.


Brian

My hobby dream come true is soo right! The hardest part was keeping the story under wraps for months until The NY Times broke the news a couple of weeks back.

The Boston Media has been loving this story - Ruth with the Sox, found in Mass, Morehouse Baking in Lawrence Mass, etc

It’s been a lot of fun. And now, I’ll be hosting an Auction Watch Party with the owner of these amazing cards - hope some of these cards end up with Net54 members!

Jeff

[oldjudge]

Beauty Jeff! The Robinson I have in my collection is Wilbert.

[Republicaninmass]

Pump that consignment!


Any other questions please post to the board!

[27 Championships]

Can anyone explain why Lot #713, 1914 CJ Ray Caldwell PSA 2, is sky high, currently at $6500? Is this exceptionally rare or short print? I can’t remember ever seeing this card going for so much? I’m thinking about selling my SGC 2 if it hits $10k 😁

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by 27 Championships

Can anyone explain why Lot #713, 1914 CJ Ray Caldwell PSA 2, is sky high, currently at $6500? Is this exceptionally rare or short print? I can’t remember ever seeing this card going for so much? I’m thinking about selling my SGC 2 if it hits $10k 😁

Anyone else skip right over the bickering posts? Good lord it's tiring and so boring.

Back to cards...Yes the Caldwell is top 3 hardest cards to find for 1914 set collectors. Last I checked there were only 33 graded examples between PSA/SGC. Ray Keating, Del Pratt and Hick Cady are all around that same pop.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Anyone else skip right over the bickering posts? Good lord it's tiring and so boring.

Back to cards...Yes the Caldwell is top 3 hardest cards to find for 1914 set collectors. Last I checked there were only 33 graded examples between PSA/SGC. Ray Keating, Del Pratt and Hick Cady are all around that same pop.

I have one that was slabbed, but I can't tell if it is an older PSA or SGC slab.

Of course, this could be a 1915 card as well...the orientation of the copied text on the back offers more questions than answers.


Brian

[Republicaninmass]

Kind of a stretch there. I was clearly posting about Snowman telling people they looked stupid to look in the mirror.

Thou doth protest too much.

Got your 15 mins if fame and multiple posts about;


Black swamp find
Auction house to use
Grader to use for high end cards

Etc


It was all so contrived.





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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

I always enjoyed receiving the REA auction catalog, but it’s especially fun now given the connection. I’ve been lucky enough to have with these Morehouse baking cards.

Hats off to Brian Dwyer for being every bit excellent partner to us as we hoped and expected he would be.

I may just end up buying back a few of these for my own collection!

Jeff Gross

Congrats on a truly incredible find and bringing it to market Jeff and hats off to Brian for marketing the find properly, I'm sure the consignor will be very happy.

[samosa4u]

Lichtman vs. Snowman (special guest referee P. Spaeth).

Sherman vs. Gross

Only on Netflix

[Leon]

One thing I have tried to do on this forum, is not argue law with leading attorneys. It just doesn't go well. Now, if we are talking pre war type cards, I should be able to hold my own.

[tjisonline]

Ditto. Same with doctors (my wife). Ha

Originally Posted by Leon

One thing I have tried to do on this forum, is not argue law with leading attorneys. It just doesn't go well. Now, if we are talking pre war type cards, I should be able to hold my own.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

Ditto. Same with doctors (my wife). Ha

Same with Nuclear Physicists (me)

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Leon

One thing I have tried to do on this forum, is not argue law with leading attorneys. It just doesn't go well. Now, if we are talking pre war type cards, I should be able to hold my own.

The funny thing is we're just taking past each other. They want to pretend that we're arguing about the law or legal terminology. It's hilarious. I'm just making a very simple point that there's a world of difference between someone agreeing to a plea deal and someone being tried in front of a jury and found guilty of a crime (especially in this case where the other charges he was facing were far more serious than him trimming the Wagner). It's not a legal debate. It's just common sense and simple logic. You don't have to be a mathematician to know that 2+2=4 and you don't have to be a lawyer to know that there's a difference of implications between someone agreeing to a plea deal and someone being tried in front of a jury and being found guilty of specific charges.

If a prosecutor lists out 20 things that they think they might be able to get you on and you come to an agreement with them because you think overall the terms are more favorable than you'd get if you were to fight them in court, it says nothing about whether or not each of those specific 20 charges would have stuck. Regardless of whether or not an entire room full of lawyers tells you otherwise.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The funny thing is we're just taking past each other. They want to pretend that we're arguing about the law or legal terminology. It's hilarious. I'm just making a very simple point that there's a world of difference between someone agreeing to a plea deal and someone being tried in front of a jury and found guilty of a crime (especially in this case where the other charges he was facing were far more serious than him trimming the Wagner). It's not a legal debate. It's just common sense and simple logic. You don't have to be a mathematician to know that 2+2=4 and you don't have to be a lawyer to know that there's a difference of implications between someone agreeing to a plea deal and someone being tried in front of a jury and being found guilty of specific charges.

If a prosecutor lists out 20 things that they think they might be able to get you on and you come to an agreement with them because you think overall the terms are more favorable than you'd get if you were to fight them in court, it says nothing about whether or not each of those specific 20 charges would have stuck. Regardless of whether or not an entire room full of lawyers tells you otherwise.

Mastro pled guilty to every count he was charged with and received no “terms” in exchange. He admitted to all criminal conduct the government said he had done and more crimes than what the Feds were even aware of. He was sentenced for more than trimming the Wagner and selling it as untrimmed. He was sentenced on all that he pled to which included every charge in the indictment. He did not receive a break on the plea by being required to plead to only some of the charges.

He threw himself on the mercy of the court at sentencing and even brought a priest along to help exemplify his acceptance of guilt. Part of the sentencing computation was a three level downward adjustment in his sentencing guidelines (which determined the length of his sentence) for “acceptance of responsibility” for his crimes. He received that at sentencing.

Had he gone to trial he would have fought every allegation. He would have told the jury and the public he was innocent. After conviction he would not have received the three level downward adjustment in his sentencing guidelines for acceptance of responsibility for his crimes. Additionally, afterward he would have surely publicly said the jury was wrong, they didn’t understand the hobby, the judge was biased against him, the prosecutors withheld favorable evidence and the original charges against him were faulty as they didn’t make out crimes. To his grave he’d continue to claim publicly he was innocent.

You might be the only person on the planet who believes Mastro’s guilty plea makes him less guilty than if he had been convicted after trial.

Now can you stop?