Ebay Seller: PSA

[bcbgcbrcb]

I wasn’t aware before this weekend but apparently PSA is a seller on eBay. Maybe others already know this and I apologize if this subject is repetitive. Within their auction listing descriptions, they include legal verbiage releasing them from any and all liability for any potential returns due to a third-party authentication company not agreeing with the assigned grade/description/item condition. Beside the obvious conflict of interest selling their own graded cards on consignment, what gives them the right, and not anyone else, to not have to live up to the seller standards as mandated by eBay? I can copy all of the same verbiage and add it to my listings too, do you think eBay will stand behind me when a buyer requests a return because an item did not match the photos/description? I think not and herein lies the problem. Thoughts from everyone, do we all think that eBay will back PSA should this same scenario arise?

[philliesfan]

I have no clue about this, but could it be because the items are in their vault? And they need to be listed that way because of it?
Bob

[Peter_Spaeth]

There's no right of return now, if a graded card passes authentication. And that review is limited to whether the slab matches the auction description.

Where's the conflict, they're just offering to list cards for people as part of their vault service.

[Fred]

I understand what Phil is alluding to. If PSA sells non vault items that belong to PSA, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". If it's providing the ability to sell vault items owned by others, that takes the look of impropriety away.

Nothing surprises me any more for this sporting card business (no, it's not much of a hobby these days).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fred

I understand what Phil is alluding to. If PSA sells non vault items that belong to PSA, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". If it's providing the ability to sell vault items owned by others, that takes the look of impropriety away.

Nothing surprises me any more for this sporting card business (no, it's not much of a hobby these days).

What's the reason to believe they own the cards? There's an obvious explanation that they don't, this is a service they offer. I mean we could do what if's all day. What if the prior owners of SGC were grading their own cards? Oh, wait....

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the reason to believe they own the cards? There's an obvious explanation that they don't, this is a service they offer. I mean we could do what if's all day. What if the prior owners of SGC were grading their own cards? Oh, wait....

I didn't indicate that PSA was selling their own cards. However, if you believe that would never occur, then there's a saying I've heard, something about don't tell me it's raining if you're pissing on my leg.

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past PSA to start selling cards they own, but that's not what I said. Is it? My comment was if PSA sells non vault items that belong to them, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". Does that sound like "PSA shouldn't be selling their own cards"?

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Fred

I didn't indicate that PSA was selling their own cards. However, if you believe that would never occur, then there's a saying I've heard, something about don't tell me it's raining if you're pissing on my leg.



Honestly, I wouldn't put it past PSA to start selling cards they own, but that's not what I said. Is it? My comment was if PSA sells non vault items that belong to them, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". Does that sound like "PSA shouldn't be selling their own cards"?

It kinda does

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[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Fred

I didn't indicate that PSA was selling their own cards. However, if you believe that would never occur, then there's a saying I've heard, something about don't tell me it's raining if you're pissing on my leg.



Honestly, I wouldn't put it past PSA to start selling cards they own, but that's not what I said. Is it? My comment was if PSA sells non vault items that belong to them, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". Does that sound like "PSA shouldn't be selling their own cards"?

Yes.

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[tjisonline]

PSA only sells vaulted BGS / BVG, SGC, & PSA graded items on eBay. Not sure if anyone is alluding to PSA selling unvaulted items pretending to be vaulted?
Maybe I’m not following but currently don’t see a problem

Originally Posted by Fred

I understand what Phil is alluding to. If PSA sells non vault items that belong to PSA, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". If it's providing the ability to sell vault items owned by others, that takes the look of impropriety away.

Nothing surprises me any more for this sporting card business (no, it's not much of a hobby these days).

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Fred

I understand what Phil is alluding to. If PSA sells non vault items that belong to PSA, then that's giving PSA the right to "print cash". If it's providing the ability to sell vault items owned by others, that takes the look of impropriety away.

Nothing surprises me any more for this sporting card business (no, it's not much of a hobby these days).

I'm under the impression PSA can already "print cash" by simply selling their opinion.