Been a long time

[Snapolit1]

Since we had a Ohtani is over rated thread. Anyone want to give it a shot?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Since we had a Ohtani is over rated thread. Anyone want to give it a shot?

I certainly don't think he's overrated but I think that not having the stress of pitching on his body, is allowing him to produce better. He's putting up career highs in every offensive category right now, clearly the not pitching is putting less stress on his body.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think the best way to utilize him would be as a high leverage Reliever. Imagine him coming out of the pen for 2-3 innings once every 4-5 games? He would be able to throw as effectively and as hard as he wants and would most likely have less stress on his Elbow.

[jingram058]

For $700 million? If that's entertainment for you, you can have it. I'm out. Have fun.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Since we had a Ohtani is over rated thread. Anyone want to give it a shot?

Just for fun, I'll try. He's approaching 30 and has 747 career hits and a .280 BA. And what made him special -- the pitching -- is gone and may not return. Does that help?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just for fun, I'll try. He's approaching 30 and has 747 career hits and a .280 BA. And what made him special -- the pitching -- is gone and may not return. Does that help?

This is probably the best argument you're going to get -- something backward looking that focuses on career counting stats and BA. You could also highlight his strikeout rate. I'd agree that if the pitching is gone forever, then he will need that 3rd MVP award, a Gold Glove or two in the outfield, plus a WS ring to make up for it.

Of course, I suspect he will be worth the $700mm contract from a commercial standpoint after just one or two more seasons with the Dodgers, so long as he avoids the pedophilia problem that seems to afflict major league baseball players. I'd love to find out from some investment banker how much more the Dodgers are now worth as a franchise with Ohtani on their team.

[Seven]

I think we also have to distinguish that there's a lot more to the contract than just his production as well. I do agree the financial numbers are ridiculous, but most contracts in all major sports are trending this way. No player should be paid the amount of money they are receiving nowadays, but that's a different discussion for another thread.

Ohtani gives the Dodgers the Japanese market, plus he was one of the main reasons they were able to sign Yamamoto, and most likely the reason they will be one of the favorites to land two other NPB stars, Roki Sasaki and Munetaka Murakami once they are posted.

Ohtani is well on his way, assuming health, to winning a third MVP this season just for his offensive numbers. Every other 3 time MVP award winner is either in Cooperstown (DiMaggio, Campanella, Berra, Foxx, Mantle, Musial and Schmidt), bound for Cooperstown (Pujols and Trout), or in the category of having the numbers but being associated with PEDs (Bonds, Rodriguez). Ohtani will end up there one day as well.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bk400

This is probably the best argument you're going to get -- something backward looking that focuses on career counting stats and BA. You could also highlight his strikeout rate. I'd agree that if the pitching is gone forever, then he will need that 3rd MVP award, a Gold Glove or two in the outfield, plus a WS ring to make up for it.

Of course, I suspect he will be worth the $700mm contract from a commercial standpoint after just one or two more seasons with the Dodgers, so long as he avoids the pedophilia problem that seems to afflict major league baseball players. I'd love to find out from some investment banker how much more the Dodgers are now worth as a franchise with Ohtani on their team.

The comment about pedophilia problems for MLB players surprised me. Care to elaborate? I know there have been accusations made about Roger Clemens and Pete Rose being involved with underage girls along with the ongoing investigation of Wander Franco, but making a blanket statement that it's a problem afflicting MLB players seems a bit over the top.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The comment about pedophilia problems for MLB players surprised me. Care to elaborate? I know there have been accusations made about Roger Clemens and Pete Rose being involved with underage girls along with the ongoing investigation of Wander Franco, but making a blanket statement that it's a problem afflicting MLB players seems a bit over the top.

Yeah, sounds like a societal issue to me and not something baseball players have an issue with more than bankers, lawyers, and teachers. Weird comment.

[Snapolit1]

Ohtani could get 6 MVPs in a row and there will be people who will say “yeah, but his time running from second to third base has really slowed down……. And he’s getting a lot less walks.”

[bk400]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The comment about pedophilia problems for MLB players surprised me. Care to elaborate? I know there have been accusations made about Roger Clemens and Pete Rose being involved with underage girls along with the ongoing investigation of Wander Franco, but making a blanket statement that it's a problem afflicting MLB players seems a bit over the top.

I am loathe to run a statistical analysis of the industries most associated with pedophilia. I made my comment after reading about that guy from the Red Sox who was literally taken down that day. You've got Wander Franco. You've got Dustan Mohr, Mel Hall. A little bit of Felipe Vasquez. Sergio Mitre. Chad Curtis is in there. Luis Polonia. That's from a very cursory google search.

I won't count John Wetteland, accused three times -- but not convicted. Nor will I count Pete Rose or Roger Clemens. I didn't realize that the standard for posting is statistical robustness. If so, my bad.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bk400

I am loathe to run a statistical analysis of the industries most associated with pedophilia. I made my comment after reading about that guy from the Red Sox who was literally taken down that day. You've got Wander Franco. You've got Dustan Mohr, Mel Hall. A little bit of Felipe Vasquez. Sergio Mitre. Chad Curtis is in there. Luis Polonia. That's from a very cursory google search.

I won't count John Wetteland, accused three times -- but not convicted. Nor will I count Pete Rose or Roger Clemens. I didn't realize that the standard for posting is statistical robustness. If so, my bad.

Yes it is the standard. If you're going to post that X group has a problem with being pedophiles, that group better turn out to be statistically prone to that charge. When you say a group or organization has a problem with being pedophiles, obviously that should be a statistically valid claim. That's an extremely serious charge, why shouldn't the claim be statistically robust? A few names out of many thousands to paint MLB as having a pedo problem is pretty weird and so far out of left field nobody saw that ball coming.

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