Dating a rare type set via online newspaper archives, World Champion Cardinals

[Lucas00]

UPDATE: SGC WILL NOW GRADE THESE!
I sent in my research and notes. Along with my two copies of Red. SGC will now accept them.


Hi folks, its been a while since I've made one of these identification/fun sort of posts. But today I'd like to share my discovery dating the cardinals world champion set.
Before, many people have thought the issue was 1965. Well I just found an article from Nov 5th 1964 stating them as being available starting Nov 15th 1964. Thus making them a 1964 Issue. Exhausted quite literally every online newspaper source looking for some sort of breakthrough and finally I got lucky.

Hoping with this info I can get Sgc to slab them as I think they would like great. Or any other tpg for you all if interested.

Not too crazy of a discovery but cool enough I thought it would be fun to share. Hopefully I have inspired some of you all to try newspaper searching for info on your rare releases.

Also a scan of Red for your viewing pleasure, please share yours.

[doug.goodman]

Congrats Lucas. Fantastic find!

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Congrats Lucas. Fantastic find!

Thank you Doug!

[JLange]

Great detective work! Congrats on finding that bit of info that definitively dates these and brings this set to life!

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by JLange

Great detective work! Congrats on finding that bit of info that definitively dates these and brings this set to life!

Appreciate it Jason, it's definitely not often a set can be pinpointed to an exact date.

[molenick]

Very cool. It's interesting that they would include Musial and Schoendienst (who were not players on the 1964 championship team....Musial was in the front office and Red was, I believe, a coach who became manager after the Series was over) as well as James and Maxvill (who were reserves) but not Gibson, Brock, Groat, McCarver, Flood, Javier, etc.

[Lucas00]

Not often that you are able to get a grading company to create a new set that you researched and sent in the information to get created. But I've done just that.
If you own any 1964 Boy Scout World Champion Cardinals Cards SGC will now grade them. I sent in both my Reds and my research, one got a 4.5 and one a 4. They even took my opinion on what the label should read 😄.

[Collectorsince62]

Nice work Lucas. Glad you were successful with SGC, and encouraging to see your research was deemed convincing. As for my set, I'll keep them raw. I wonder how many other full sets of all six exist?

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Collectorsince62

Nice work Lucas. Glad you were successful with SGC, and encouraging to see your research was deemed convincing. As for my set, I'll keep them raw. I wonder how many other full sets of all six exist?

I don't blame you, lots of opinions on grading. Bad and good, I personally love the look and have had only great interactions with Sgc. As for the amount I would bet under 100 full 6 card sets. And would be surprised to ever see more than 10-20 of any player.

[Brent G.]

Lucas, how long had you tried to uncover this info -- months, years, decades?

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

Lucas, how long had you tried to uncover this info -- months, years, decades?

Probably about a year total searching when I had time. Of real search time, I'd say probably about 3 or 4 days of actual time spent looking through newspaper archives online. An hour here or there at night.