Which SGC2 1915 CJ Joe Jackson gets more?

[pawpawdiv9]

The REA sgc2 1915 Jackson (as mentioned in another thread)
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=161686

Currently at 32K ends 12/3

OR

The MileHigh sgc2 1915 Jackson
https://milehighcardco.com/1915_Crac...-LOT96981.aspx

Currently at 21.2K ends 12/14


(NOTE: The pics of the reverse-backs are in POST #8 below)

[Madi$on18joshua]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

The REA sgc2 1915 Jackson (as mentioned in another thread)
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=161686

Currently at 32K ends 12/3

OR

The MileHigh sgc2 1915 Jackson
https://milehighcardco.com/1915_Crac...-LOT96981.aspx

Currently at 21.2K ends 12/14

They both look great but the coloring on the REA is much better IMO.

[Fred]

Just thinking out loud. If the cards were equally desirable, then wouldn't the REA card sell for more based on the close date being earlier (one more bidder, the high bidder) removed from the Mile High bidders.

I guess it's really up to whether or not the main bidders have an issue with the presence of the stain on the REA card.

I can only say this - it ain't gonna be me with the high bid for either.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just thinking out loud. If the cards were equally desirable, then wouldn't the REA card sell for more based on the close date being earlier (one more bidder, the high bidder) removed from the Mile High bidders.

If that's how it worked, wouldn't one predict that every card would sell for less than what it sold for the last time?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

If that's how it worked, wouldn't one predict that every card would sell for less than what it sold for the last time?

Glenn, I'm just messing mess everyone. I'm hoping everyone bids up the REA and just ignores the MH card Then I can go in and sweep it up at a better price (not).

My thought was that one of the bidders would be out of the hunt and that could lead to better deal in the next one. Believe me, I realize that doesn't always happen. Lets call it 50/50 that REA sells for more than MH You can't disagree with that.

[mouschi]

That's a toughie! I think REA mainly because of exposure. I could be wrong, and it totally could just be me, but I check REA every now and then, whereas MHA isn't really on my radar much. I didn't even know they were selling one until someone mentioned it on FB the other day.

[Jstottlemire1]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just thinking out loud. If the cards were equally desirable, then wouldn't the REA card sell for more based on the close date being earlier (one more bidder, the high bidder) removed from the Mile High bidders.

I guess it's really up to whether or not the main bidders have an issue with the presence of the stain on the REA card.

I can only say this - it ain't gonna be me with the high bid for either.

Interesting and great points. I’m interested in the results of the poll. I think many Cracker Jack collectors appreciate the stains feeling the card then wasn’t a redemption issue but showing the nostalgia of a pack pulled example. I’ll cast my vote in a few days. Great topic.

[pawpawdiv9]

For me, i like the REA. Like the staining, but may be too much of it on the corner.
But, the MH one does have the 2 corner creases and some white streak at the bottom, not sure what it is.
I used to own one, a Auth one due to a cut at the top border and was re-glued. It presented very nice with no stains. Bought it from PWCC raw and had it slabbed myself.
I have seen it sell later, and had thought about re-buying it at the time.
But i dont regret it..as i love my project i am working on (in my sig.)

I am also looking to see where the results end as well.

[pawpawdiv9]

NOTE: i didnt look at the reverse (BACKS) until now:

REA:


MILEHIGH:

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just thinking out loud. If the cards were equally desirable, then wouldn't the REA card sell for more based on the close date being earlier (one more bidder, the high bidder) removed from the Mile High bidders.

I guess it's really up to whether or not the main bidders have an issue with the presence of the stain on the REA card.

I can only say this - it ain't gonna be me with the high bid for either.

That's not how it plays out in practice though. Sometimes bidders will hold back on the first one because they know there is another one around the corner. They don't want to overspend on the first one and they don't want to inflate the comps for the next one, so they'll bid more conservatively. Then, when the second one drops, they compete more aggressively because they don't know when the next one will come to market and where the market might be on it when it does.

[Snowman]

I think the REA outsells the Mile High. Also, I'm a gambling man, so if anyone wants to place a friendly side bet on this one, let me know!

[3-2-count]

I know which one I like better and its not even close.

I'll keep it to myself though Good luck everyone!

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Madi$on18joshua

They both look great but the coloring on the REA is much better IMO.

You can't tell this by looking at the scans. Scanner settings can drastically change the look of a card. Note the difference in depth of the black for the SGC inner frames on the REA and the Mile High copies. That's a saturation and contrast setting difference (among other things like gamma values).

Here's an example of how settings can change the look of a card. Same card scanned using the same scanner with different settings one minute apart.

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[Fred]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You can't tell this by looking at the scans. Scanner settings can drastically change the look of a card. Note the difference in depth of the black for the SGC inner frames on the REA and the Mile High copies. That's a saturation and contrast setting difference (among other things like gamma values).

Here's an example of how settings can change the look of a card. Same card scanned using the same scanner with different settings one minute apart.

...

I was hoping someone was going to post scans of the same card with different scan settings. Thank you for that!

Regarding your other post, Ok, you're on, I'll bet you a dollar.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Fred

I was hoping someone was going to post scans of the same card with different scan settings. Thank you for that!

Regarding your other post, Ok, you're on, I'll bet you a dollar.

Alright, it's a bet then! $1 dollar. Good luck!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Alright, it's a bet then! $1 dollar. Good luck!

Ok Travis, looks like we can go double or nothing on a bet for a different auction. If I can win 16 more consecutive double or nothing bets off of this first bet, then I should be able to own a 1915 CJ of Jackson in a "2" grade (and have a bit left to get a T206 green Cobb). I've got my fingers crossed.

Dang, that was pretty darn close. My theory held true and MH was just a bit less... Yes, I know, it was a bad theory.

I guess it stands to reason that there are a lot of collectors out there that like the CJ stains. I for one don't, but that never stopped me from buying one with a stain.

[Madi$on18joshua]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You can't tell this by looking at the scans. Scanner settings can drastically change the look of a card. Note the difference in depth of the black for the SGC inner frames on the REA and the Mile High copies. That's a saturation and contrast setting difference (among other things like gamma values).

Here's an example of how settings can change the look of a card. Same card scanned using the same scanner with different settings one minute apart.

...

great point and makes it difficult to know exactly what you are getting. I've had this happen to me before but i was happy as the colors were actually better in person!

[Fred]

REA = $48K (including the juice).

[Jstottlemire1]

We are at 3 days out on the Mile High auction Joe Jackson CJ card closing. What is the members thinking on its final sales number? I like the example a lot myself. Strong color it seems.

[jsfriedm]

Originally Posted by Madi$on18joshua

great point and makes it difficult to know exactly what you are getting. I've had this happen to me before but i was happy as the colors were actually better in person!

I just had this happen with a T205 Mathewson that I won in last night's Mile High auction for what I thought was a great price. It has truly amazing colors - gold-est borders I've ever seen on a gold border. But I'm not sure the scan did it justice, which might have kept the price down. I saw it in person at the Shriner's Show last month, and knew I wanted it then.