“Good guys” of the dead ball era?

[destijl03]

My apologies if similar threads have been made in the past, but I wasn’t able to find anything in the search. I’m curious if anyone here, in all of the extensive research that’s been done over the years, knows of players from the dead ball era (other than the obvious Mathewson) who were known and widely respected for being decent men, or the “good guys”. It feels like any time I’m reading a player bio from that era, one, some, or all of the traits of hot-headedness, corruption, poor treatment of umps, fans, teammates, etc. are mentioned and it just made me wonder who the decent men of the time were. I’ve read before that Eddie Plank was widely respected for being very friendly, loyal, humble, and a solid family man, and was known for taking the time to mentor rookie pitchers on the team, which was rare for the time. Who else besides Matty and Plank stand out for that era?

[Metsfan0507]

Addie Joss was so highly respected that when he died in the middle of his career, the players organized the first all star game to raise money for his family.

[cgjackson222]

Walter Johnson: It was written of him in the Washington Post two days after his passing that “Walter Johnson, more than any other ballplayer, probably more than any other athlete, professional or amateur, became the symbol of gentlemanly conduct in the heat of battle."

From his SABR biography: Walter "was now admired all over America not only for his pitching exploits and his fierce competitiveness, but also for the modesty, humility and dignity with which he conducted himself, never arguing with umpires, berating his teammates for their errors, brushing back hitters or using “foreign substances” on the baseball. At a time when many ballplayers were ruffians and drunkards, Walter was never in a brawl and didn’t patronize saloons."

[G1911]

Biographies skew negative in the last few decades. Good upstanding people who quietly lived a decent life don't make good fodder for books, and usually don't get as much press as people who broke rules and did unusual or exciting things, which for an athlete usually means something negative. A juicy attack on a person sells more copies than a fair portrayal in recent times, and so the laudatory biography has mostly died outside of the political realm and been generally replaced with its opposite.

Billy Sunday will be hard to top.

[destijl03]

Originally Posted by G1911

Biographies skew negative in the last few decades. Good upstanding people who quietly lived a decent life don't make good fodder for books, and usually don't get as much press as people who broke rules and did unusual or exciting things, which for an athlete usually means something negative. A juicy attack on a person sells more copies than a fair portrayal in recent times, and so the laudatory biography has mostly died outside of the political realm and been generally replaced with its opposite.

Billy Sunday will be hard to top.

I think about this sometimes when looking at tobacco cards, how it’s a shame that we’ll likely never know more than a few stats and a paragraph-long on-field bio of the majority of the players, especially the commons, either because they lived quietly or didn’t make for an interesting story. I’m much more interested in reading the stories of the guys who made a positive difference in their teammates’ and families’ lives rather than the guys who berated, scuffled, or cheated.

[theshowandme]

Jim Thorpe endured a lot and handled it like a gent.

[judsonhamlin]

I’ll nominate Frank Baker. Modest and humble guy who lost his twins and first wife within a few years and prevented a lynching in his hometown in the ‘20’s

[GeoPoto]

Walter Johnson not only never threw at anyone, but he dominated Ty Cobb the first (I think it is) five years they played. After that Cobb dominated Johnson. Cobb said he figured out that if he hung out over the plate, Johnson would be so worried he would hit Cobb, that Cobb could ignore the inside pitch.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

Walter Johnson not only never threw at anyone, but he dominated Ty Cobb the first (I think it is) five years they played. After that Cobb dominated Johnson. Cobb said he figured out that if he hung out over the plate, Johnson would be so worried he would hit Cobb, that Cobb could ignore the inside pitch.

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+1 for Johnson..

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

Walter Johnson not only never threw at anyone, but he dominated Ty Cobb the first (I think it is) five years they played. After that Cobb dominated Johnson. Cobb said he figured out that if he hung out over the plate, Johnson would be so worried he would hit Cobb, that Cobb could ignore the inside pitch.

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+1 for Johnson..

[Eric72]

Connie Mack strikes me as the type of "good guy" you're looking for. Here's a Code of Conduct he created for his players:

I will always play the game to the best of my ability.
I will always play to win, but if I lose, I will not look for an excuse to detract from my opponent's victory.
I will never take an unfair advantage in order to win.
I will always abide by the rules of the game—on the diamond as well as in my daily life.
I will always conduct myself as a true sportsman—on and off the playing field.
I will always strive for the good of the entire team rather than for my own glory.
I will never gloat in victory or pity myself in defeat.
I will do my utmost to keep myself clean—physically, mentally, and morally.
I will always judge a teammate or an opponent as an individual and never on the basis of race or religion.

[Snapolit1]

Cool thread.

I wouldn't necessarily blame this on moden trends for bios to spin negative; there was plenty of negative press at the time these guys played and built their reputations. Does seem to be premium in those days on very hard ass play, take any advantage you can get sort of play, willingness to throw punches when required.

[packs]

Rube Waddell was a hell of a guy when he had his wits about him. Didn’t he die as a result of saving a town from a flood?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Cool thread.

I wouldn't necessarily blame this on moden trends for bios to spin negative; there was plenty of negative press at the time these guys played and built their reputations. Does seem to be premium in those days on very hard ass play, take any advantage you can get sort of play, willingness to throw punches when required.

Newspapers have always known that sleaze sells best. Biographies at this time period were usually one of two types, the kind still influenced by the German objectivity movement and the laudatory biography, a Christian overtoned version of Plutarch where the subject is used as a example of proper living and to instill values.

Today most of what is said about the old time players come from the biographies written of them long after they retired, not primary sources directly. These books skew to a more modern philosophy of biography, some in the sleazier 'juice sells' group like Cramer's Dimaggio and Stump's straight up fictional Cobb as an early example of it, and some with a softer approach and more meticulous fact checking but a similar philosophy. Laudatory has given way to its opposite, trying to bring down the figure instead of raise them up (neither of which is usually very accurate), and the ideal of objectivity is long dead. Biographers tend to focus on scandal, on misconduct, on things the subject said or did that is not in line with what is popular thought today. A new juicy claim sells books and pre-publication attention, not a fairly reported accounting of a decently lived life without much scandal.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Connie Mack strikes me as the type of "good guy" you're looking for. Here's a Code of Conduct he created for his players:

I will always play the game to the best of my ability.
I will always play to win, but if I lose, I will not look for an excuse to detract from my opponent's victory.
I will never take an unfair advantage in order to win.
I will always abide by the rules of the game—on the diamond as well as in my daily life.
I will always conduct myself as a true sportsman—on and off the playing field.
I will always strive for the good of the entire team rather than for my own glory.
I will never gloat in victory or pity myself in defeat.
I will do my utmost to keep myself clean—physically, mentally, and morally.
I will always judge a teammate or an opponent as an individual and never on the basis of race or religion.

...but he'd have been cancelled in a heartbeat today for his infamous comment when he first saw Jackie on the field.

[boneheadandrube]

Dode Paskert rescued a bunch of people from a burning building in 1921, does that count?

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/dode-paskert/



1916 M101-5 Famous & Barr Paskert SGC 4.5.jpg