$117K SGC 8.5 DiMaggio WWG trimmed heavily, previously an SGC 6

[swarmee]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=7884


In case one of you big spenders purchased this card, see if you can get a refund. Anothe point for the BODA.

[wolterse]

wow great investigative work there

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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by wolterse

wow great investigative work there

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Agreed Great work and also great how you made that image work one over the other

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Agreed Great work and also great how you made that image work one over the other

I am not the OP from the blowout thread; my handle over there is mjohnatgt. However, the BODA (Blowout Detective Agency) guys have done a tremendous job outting fraud over the past 5 years. If you haven't seen that type of overlay before, you should go over to blowout and read about 50 threads.

Here are some of the top ones:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1298835
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1289859
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297767

Wonder if the FBI is still doing any leg work? Most of their discovery has already been accomplished by volunteers.

[Casey2296]

Props to BODA, doing the Lords work for half a decade, keep it up guys.

[Tyruscobb]

This hobby’s fraud and greed never stops amazing me. I wonder how many high grade, rare cards are legitimate? I suspect the number is shockingly low. This is the reason I’m a low to collector-grade guy.

[Fred]

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners.

If the card doesn't meet the minimum size requirement and it has RAZOR sharp corners, then have a QUALIFIER that indicates it doesn't meet the minimum size requirement but has been graded as if it were. That would put the thought in everyone's mind that it could be trimmed (which it probably is). Think about it.

When you look at the number of cards out there and find that a large number of high grade cards doesn't meet the minimum size requirement, then people may start asking why most cards with lower grades meet the size requirement but higher graded cards do not. I mean really? Are we this stupid?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

This hobby’s fraud and greed never stops amazing me. I wonder how many high grade, rare cards are legitimate? I suspect the number is shockingly low. This is the reason I’m a low to collector-grade guy.

How many did you see in the 1980's? That ought to tell you.

You know I've called it a billion dollar fraud for many years now. It's way over a bil.

[theshowandme]

SGC is aware


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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

sgc is aware


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lolololol

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is "we will be sure to take action if it is deemed necessary" a circular statement/tautology? Greg M., what say you?

[swarmee]

And with no guarantee in place, not sure what action they'd need to take in order to get the current owner to return it to be placed in an AUTH ALTERED slab without getting paid back.

[Fred]

If SGC does realize there is something "wrong" with the card based on all of the evidence provided, what is their next step? What's the difference in price between a 6 and 8.5? My guess it has to be a huge difference in price.

I wonder if TPGs have insurance for something like this. I would have to believe no insurance company would be so blind to the possible fraud that could result in payouts.

Do any of the TPGs provide a limited indemnity against such huge possible payouts? Or do the TPGs offer any type of protection for the hobbyist?

Hey, I see you lost about $100K on that, we'll give you lifetime free submissions.

Anybody want to guess on the response? It would be nice for them to examine all the evidence and do the right thing, but think about the potential backlash for doing the right thing.

Edited to add - oh crap, that's the difference between 8.5 and A... OMG

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Fred

If SGC does realize there is something "wrong" with the card based on all of the evidence provided, what is their next step? What's the difference in price between a 6 and 8.5? My guess it has to be a huge difference in price.

SGC has no guarantee.

Therefore, SGC makes no warranty or representation and shall have no liability whatsoever to Customer for the grade or determination of authenticity assigned by SGC to any item.

https://www.gosgc.com/terms

I'll leave it up to the lawyers of the board as to whether they can actually fully disclaim liability in this fashion.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is "we will be sure to take action if it is deemed necessary" a circular statement/tautology? Greg M., what say you?

It's more of tautology; as it is designed to say nothing but the conclusion isn't itself a premise. Empty statement constructed in such a way that it works whether the components are true or false - they either will or will not do something based on if they think they should or should not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's more of tautology; as it is designed to say nothing but the conclusion isn't itself a premise. Empty statement constructed in such a way that it works whether the components are true or false - they either will or will not do something based on if they think they should or should not.

In other words, utter BS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

SGC is aware


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And?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And?

It hasn’t been deemed necessary or unnecessary, eventually action will or will not be taken. Hurry up and forget!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It hasn’t been deemed necessary or unnecessary, eventually action will or will not be taken. Hurry up and forget!

^^this^^ plus didn't someone say it is now in a PSA slab so why would SGC care?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

^^this^^ plus didn't someone say it is now in a PSA slab so why would SGC care?

If I were more cynical I would think this response from SGC was disingenuous from the get go and they knew exactly where this card came from.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by bnorth

^^this^^ plus didn't someone say it is now in a PSA slab so why would SGC care?

Exactly. Moving on, nothing to see here folks.