Heritage Auction - Cobb with Brown Lenox Back

[Yoda]

Perhaps it is the scan or my eyes growing old, but the captioned card has me puzzled. I have handled a few Brown Lenox backs in the past and they were definitely brown in color. The one in the Heritage auction ending tomorrow looks a lot more black than brown to me. Since it is graded, bidders will be confident that it is the real deal. But even if I could afford such a rare card, which I can't, I wouldn't bid on it.

[HobokenJon]

I’ve deleted this post. Ryan, I stand corrected.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Perhaps it is the scan or my eyes growing old, but the captioned card has me puzzled. I have handled a few Brown Lenox backs in the past and they were definitely brown in color. The one in the Heritage auction ending tomorrow looks a lot more black than brown to me. Since it is graded, bidders will be confident that it is the real deal. But even if I could afford such a rare card, which I can't, I wouldn't bid on it.

First, just because PSA says it’s a certain color does not make it so. PSA is color blind and they mess up too much. This Crawford is 1000% a brown Lenox. PSA blew this one.

That said, the Cobb is brown

Brown Lenox are not typically the color of brown Hindu (brown old mills are), and their shade of brown can vary from one brown Lenox to the next. I have owned 10-12 of these, and still own 5+, including this crawford. Some browns are darker than others but are all brown when put next to a black

[Pat R]

Ryan is correct unlike the Hindu's which are a pretty consistent there is a wide variation in the Brown Lenox.

All of these are Brown Lenox.

Brown Lenox Group.jpg

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ryan is correct unlike the Hindu's which are a pretty consistent there is a wide variation in the Brown Lenox.

All of these are Brown Lenox.

Attachment 559512

Not disputing you, but you'd have a helluva time getting me to spend brown money on 4 of those.

[MVSNYC]

Edited comment about Pat's scans.

Re: The Cobb Brown Lenox. Heritage has the best (hi-res) scans in the business. When you enlarge it, and compare the ink to the black background under the PSA case (seen in the scans), the Lenox definitely reads Brown.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not disputing you, but you'd have a helluva time getting me to spend brown money on 4 of those.

Even if the 4th on top and the bottom two were the only brown ones (bc they are clearly browner than the others), you can see the serious differences in shades between just those 3.

[sflayank]

100% 3 brown 4 black

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not disputing you, but you'd have a helluva time getting me to spend brown money on 4 of those.

Me too I posted the wrong image.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Me too I posted the wrong image.

LOL good to know I'm not crazy.

[tedzan]

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[tedzan]

To date, 26 brown LENOX cards are confirmed. If my theory (Posted on Net54 6 years ago) proves true, I predict that only 11 (or 12 more) T206 cards may eventually be discovered
with the brown LENOX backs. Currently, exactly 20 subjects of the 26 known brown LENOX cards are from the 350/460 series, and 6 subjects are from the 460-only series.........


350/460 series....Group B (brown LENOX candidates).




350/460 series subjects currently confirmed with brown LENOX backs

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Willetts
Willis (bat)


460-only series subjects currently confirmed with brown LENOX backs

Chase (trophy)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
Merkle (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

I am convinced that the brown LENOX cards were factory-cut, and they were shipped along with the black LENOX cards to Factory #30.
And, inserted into LENOX cigarette packs.
American Lithograph's QA simply missed (or overlooked) that they were printed with the wrong color.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Me too I posted the wrong image.

Ah, ok. Thought I was going crazy too, haha.


BTW, I recently did a side by side screenshot of a Black Lenox I owned (just traded it to a board member), and my Brown Lenox (McQuillan). Pretty distinct difference.