1912 T207 PSA Population Report

[rand1com]

I was looking at the Population Report on PSA for this issue and see no backs delineated. I know SGC has a pop report by back. Is there any way to distinguish population by back on the PSA site that I am overlooking?

[Bridwell]

As an avid collector of these, I thought I'd attempt a response to you on this. PSA doesn't separate the T207's by back variety in their pop reports. SGC had done some separation by backs but it was inconsistent. So it is difficult to tell how many are out there. You can look on vintagecardpricing if you have a subscription and review sales of T207's where quite a few of the backs are noted.

There have been a few detailed articles written about T207's, and PSA pop reports can give you an idea of the lowest population players. Loudermilk, Irv Lewis and Donlin are probably the most expensive players to acquire. Out of 200 different players, there are 50 players that come with either Cycle, Broadleaf, Anon 25 or Anon 3 backs and all 50 of them are pretty tough to find in nice condition. Of the other 150 players, those mainly have Recruit backs but about 50 of them can be found with Anon 3 backs but those are pretty scarce and perhaps at least 100 could be found with Napoleon backs but, again, those are hard to find.

Some of the other expensive cards in the set are Buck Weaver, Tris Speaker, Harry Hooper, Walter Johnson and Joe Wood.

[swarmee]

PSA has never broken out T205 backs either, despite being a much higher collected set with major value differences between the backs. Maybe now that the backlog has been eclipsed, they can include all the different backs of T205 and get a ton of submissions for reholders to annotate it.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Bridwell

As an avid collector of these, I thought I'd attempt a response to you on this. PSA doesn't separate the T207's by back variety in their pop reports. SGC had done some separation by backs but it was inconsistent. So it is difficult to tell how many are out there. You can look on vintagecardpricing if you have a subscription and review sales of T207's where quite a few of the backs are noted.

There have been a few detailed articles written about T207's, and PSA pop reports can give you an idea of the lowest population players. Loudermilk, Irv Lewis and Donlin are probably the most expensive players to acquire. Out of 200 different players, there are 50 players that come with either Cycle, Broadleaf, Anon 25 or Anon 3 backs and all 50 of them are pretty tough to find in nice condition. Of the other 150 players, those mainly have Recruit backs but about 50 of them can be found with Anon 3 backs but those are pretty scarce and perhaps at least 100 could be found with Napoleon backs but, again, those are hard to find.

Some of the other expensive cards in the set are Buck Weaver, Tris Speaker, Harry Hooper, Walter Johnson and Joe Wood.

Thanks for the information. Yes, I have a VCP subscription so I can see the completed sales for graded cards and the back variations but the pop reports would be a help. I guess just not enough interest to break this set or the T205's by back on PSA's site. I really just started researching this set and was just looking for as much information as possible. Thanks again.

[53toppscollector]

One of my long term projects is to actually create a PSA pop report for T205 and T207 with an accurate accounting of the backs. It won't be exact, but it should help to provide ratios and allow us to make assumptions. T205 is probably going to come first (because I am going to tackle a T205 complete set before T207), but both will come behind the various T206 themed projects I am currently working on.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Thanks for the information. Yes, I have a VCP subscription so I can see the completed sales for graded cards and the back variations but the pop reports would be a help. I guess just not enough interest to break this set or the T205's by back on PSA's site. I really just started researching this set and was just looking for as much information as possible. Thanks again.

Hey Randy,

Ron covered the gist, and alluded to other detailed articles. I can provide a little color (pun intended). If you've gone through the various T207 threads on the forum and the T207 overview (and linked threads) in the Archive Center, you've got a great start. IMO, the population bible on the set is Tim N's multi-year survey, documented in VCBC #'s 37 and 38 with relative population breakdowns by back, amongst other things. His survey wrapped up in 2004 but is still accurate as things go, and while - nearly 20 years on - there are additional aspects to his survey that could be improved upon, it stands on its own as an excellent piece of work. Bob M has a companion article in issue 37, I recall. The combination of those articles is responsible for my obsession with the set.

I've been collecting/studying it since 2006, but my recordkeeping and attention to detail isn't so great, or I'd have more detailed info to share... only specific correction I'd make to Ron's answer is that the Napoleon back confirmation thread has reached 145 confirmed backs, so is nearly complete.

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Mike

[t206fanatic]

For a long time, PSA didnt denote backs on T206 cards either, so I imagine in the future they will do it for both T205 & T207

[frohme]

SGC has routinely labeled backs for quite some time now (more than a decade, I believe). I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any that don't have the back identified (the ones labeled just '1912 T207' are the anonymous backs, FWIW)

They do not, however, include the factory number for Recruit and Anonymous backs.

Here's a pretty old-school one (and because every thread needs a card)



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Mike