The T205 EGGS (Elite Gold Gilded Set) thread: Post your collection progress

[brianp-beme]

Here finally is the long-awaited thread that collectors can post their progress on the T205 set. I like to think of the T205 as the Gold Standard of Tobacco cards, and the set has inspired many to pursue it over its 111+ years of existence, due to its great design, colorful look, gold borders, awesome lineup of players, bio writeups on the back, different brand advertising, and various levels of scarcity to tempt those who like a good challenge when collecting.

This thread addresses that challenge by assigning EGGS (Elite Gold Gilded Set) values to individual cards in the set based upon both their scarcity and their popularity. This endeavor has truly been a collaborative effort - in case you missed it, here is a link to the previous thread that garnered plenty of input from the community that shaped the final EGGS values:

https://net54baseball.com/showthread...0225&highlight

There are 221 officially recognized cards in the master set. 141 of these have been assigned a value of 1. These cards are not shown in the below listing, which highlights cards that have EGGS values between 2 and 18. When added up, the total EGGS value for a complete master set works out to 400, which as pointed out in the previous thread, is a fitting total amount for this, as the vast majority of the different brand advertising on the back indicates 400 designs.

The next post on this thread will be the running list for collectors to post the status of their T205 collection by identifying the Total EGGS value of the set they are working/worked on. This input from collectors will be maintained by me, just as I have for the E90-1 set on the Kraken thread.

For the purposes of this list backs were not considered when calculating each cards value, to keep things on a relatively simple level. There are also 8 variations that have not been recognized as widely within the hobby:

Collins, Eddie - closed mouth w/yellow elephant

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base, yellowish stripe in background

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base, no stripe

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D'

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'

Snodgrass, Fred - missing decimal point on .405 batting average

White, Doc - no quotation marks on Doc

I have decided for this reason not to assign values for these 8 cards. Collectors can indicate with their post how many of these cards they have, and I will post Speckled Eggs (asterisks) after their point total. For example a collection with value of 237 that has 3 of the above less recognized variations would be listed as: 237***

Below is the values of each of the 80 cards that have a value of 2 or more to figure out your total EGGS amount (As a reminder the 141 other cards in the official master set that are not shown have a value of 1):


Cards with EGGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Baker, Frank

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase, Hal - border on shirt

Chase, Hal - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Crandall, Otis - 'T' not crossed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty, Patsy - red sock

Dougherty, Patsy - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Fisher, Ray SP

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. after 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with value of 3:

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Graham, George - Cubs

Grant, Ed SP

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. after 1908

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Raymond, Bugs SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Suggs, George SP

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Speaker, Tris

Walsh, Ed SP


Cards with value of 5:

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Mathewson, Christy - correct stats

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with value of 6:

Johnson, Walter

Moran, Pat - stray line of type

Young, Cy


Cards with value of 7 or more (EGGS value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (18)

Joss, Addie SP (7)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (13)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (7)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)


Brian - here are some examples of T205 cards of varying values. I have included a scan of two Ewing cards to emphasize that, no matter whether your Ewing looks normal or more like one of the Village People, either one is worth one point, and no extra credit is given for multiple examples

[brianp-beme]

This post is a list of EGGS #'s of collector's T205 cards currently in their collection. I will update this list frequently when people post their #'s. 400 points indicates a complete set, and each asterisk indicates one of the seven less recognized variations known.


400 riggs336 6/9/22

400****** Eggoman 8/3/22

400 trambo 6/11/22

400* TigerMike 11/19/22

400***** lentel 11/20/22

400******Forever Young 11/26/22

387*** orioles70 6/10/22

382******* dabbuu 6/10/22

382 Millerd33 9/29/22

360 mrdbrooks77 11/25/23

359** jayshum 6/9/22

359+ 62corvette 7/25/22 (+ for introducing set to Hindu-ism)

341 Steve D 6/9/22

341 brianp-beme 6/9/22

341 rats60 6/13/23

338 T205 Hunter 6/17/22

336 judsonhamlin 6/10/22

334 familytoad 6/11/22

318 Mark2391 6/12/24

295 tschock 6/12/22

251 nebboy 7/7/22

154 chadeast 11/19/22

144 collectt205 9/26/24

142 RCMcKenzie 2/4/23

105 Alaskanmade 3/21/25

58 Yoda 11/24/23

30* Bill77 6/13/22

29* CobbSpikedMe 8/5/22

19 jason.1969 19/19? (Dodgers team subset) 6/11/22

16 GeoPoto 14/19 (Senators team subset) 6/15/22

12 Leon 6/15/22

7 jimq16415 11/26/22

2 Rad_Hazard 6/13/22


Brian

[jayshum]

I've been following the development of this list. Thanks for the work in putting it together.

I'm just missing the tough variations of Hoblitzell, Mathewson and Wilhem. I have the Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base and the Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B' so I guess my score is 359**

[riggs336]

After years of looking for an "affordable" example,I purchased this in May of last year to complete the 221 set. So put me down for 400 EGGS please.

[brianp-beme]

Nice Jay and Otis...your numbers have been posted (and asterisked where appropriate)! And Otis gets our first 400.

Brian

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Nice Jay and Otis...your numbers have been posted (and asterisked where appropriate)! And Otis gets our first 400.

Brian

Which begs the question "which came 1st, the Otis or the Egg?"

[orioles70]

Brian

I am missing Mathewson Cycle so I have 387 eggs (I need to check thru my 293 cards for any lesser known variations)...but I do have a "complete basket" made up of all 11 different tobacco brand backs to put them in (including 2 Hindus and 2 Drum)

John

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[brianp-beme]

Hi Judson, Greg and John...welcome to the club!

Brian

[brianp-beme]

I have added Hoffman - yellow 2nd base, yellowish stripe in background to the official 'asterisk' list at the request of a member, as it has been identified as a variation in the past. I view it, as with a couple of other on the asterisk list, as more of a printing defect, but hey, I think we can accept more speckled EGGS when they make their way onto the scene.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Great submissions so far. Don't feel like you need to be a member of the 300+ EGGS club to post on this thread...actually it would be fun to watch over time the growth of collections that are just starting out as well.

Brian

[trambo]

400 for me. I don't believe I have any of the variations but do have the full 221 all PSA graded (TRambo Collection in the registry).

Here's a link to my set: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...shedset/223646

I think all of the scans are there too although I may be missing a few.

[GeoPoto]

I'm wondering if your "big tent" approach welcomes team collectors to post totals? Totals could be enhanced by counting backs. No new/additional numbers for backs needed. Just count every back at the card's number. Or not.

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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

I'm wondering if your "big tent" approach welcomes team collectors to post totals? Totals could be enhanced by counting backs. No new/additional numbers for backs needed. Just count every back at the card's number. Or not.

For specific, 1 team only collectors, I would not be adverse to indicating something that shows the team as a subset.

For example, jason.1969 has posted his collection of Dodgers T205 cards. I am not familiar if he has all the Dodger cards in the set, but for an example his entry on the list could look like this if the EGGS value for all the Dodgers cards in the set happened to be 24:

19 jason.1969 19/24 (Dodgers subset) 6/11/22

For these type of collectors, I would need to have from them the total EGGS value for all cards from the team to list it this way. For the Dodgers, Jason may have the complete sub-set...it is up to individual collector to figure out.

And unfortunately, I have decided not to make backs a part of this EGGS system. Perhaps someone would like to come up with a separate T205 Ostrich EGGS thread for the backs (because when an ostrich has its head in the sand, its backside is revealed).

Brian

[jason.1969]

If the train needs a caboose here is 19, counting the bonuses for Dahlen, Daubert, Scanlan, and Wheat.

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[Yoda]

Hey Brian, how about a second award to the next player to reach the magic 400 number. It should hang nicely next to Mel since they were teammates, and that would be Bill Terry, NY Giants Captain and last National Leaguer to bat over .400. Just an idea for a little more juice in the game.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Hey Brian, how about a second award to the next player to reach the magic 400 number. It should hang nicely next to Mel since they were teammates, and that would be Bill Terry, NY Giants Captain and last National Leaguer to bat over .400. Just an idea for a little more juice in the game.

With this post I have officially draped Eggoman with the Bill Terry Cloth Sash.

Brian

[Eggoman]

Shucks, I'm honored!

(But HUGE PROPS to my Mrs. SHE was the one who talked me into spending $$$$ on the Hoblitzell - No Stats.

I'm not sure that I would have had she not encouraged me to "bid one more time!")

[familytoad]

All cards need a thread...just like all threads need a card.
I'm glad this thread is here, I've been collecting EGGS for a long time.
I have stalled though, so I'm hoping this may get me rolling again...

I have calculated 334 EGGS.
That's 83.5% of a full basket.

I do have the basic set, but like many of us, we need the tough variations.
Once again, if anyone wants a copy of my Microsoft Egg-cell spreadsheet, just email me.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by familytoad

All cards need a thread...just like all threads need a card.
I'm glad this thread is here, I've been collecting EGGS for a long time.
I have stalled though, so I'm hoping this may get me rolling again...

I have calculated 334 EGGS.
That's 83.5% of a full basket.

I do have the basic set, but like many of us, we need the tough variations.
Once again, if anyone wants a copy of my Microsoft Egg-cell spreadsheet, just email me.

Welcome to the world you helped create. I am a pencil and paper type of collector (pencil so I can easily erase blunders), but I see how many folks would appreciate your Microsoft Egg-Shell spreadsheet (I think you can see how I just made an EGGScellent improvement).

Brian

[tschock]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Welcome to the world you helped create. I am a pencil and paper type of collector (pencil so I can easily erase blunders), but I see how many folks would appreciate your Microsoft Egg-Shell spreadsheet (I think you can see how I just made an EGGScellent improvement).

Brian

I used Brian's EGGS-hell spreadsheet. Like the shampoo. It's very 'Clairol' (ie Nice and Easy).

Alas, I'm at a 'measly' 295.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by tschock

I used Brian's EGGS-hell spreadsheet. Like the shampoo. It's very 'Clairol' (ie Nice and Easy).

Alas, I'm at a 'measly' 295.

To Clairolfy, that is the other T205 Brian that Taylor is referring to. In any event, it is nice to have the 200 to 299 Free Range EGGS represented. Now we just need someone in the 100 to 199 spread for this thread to be certified as organically produced.

Brian

[trambo]

I posted a few days ago but never added a photo. Nobody's posted the Mathewson Cycle back so here's mine. Only a few nicer examples out there at this point and I'm happy to have this one in my set!!

[T205 Hunter]

A pair of my non-HOF favorites:
Oh, and I’m just covering the basics, so 338.




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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by T205 Hunter

A pair of my non-HOF favorites:
Oh, and I’m just covering the basics, so 338.

I'm all about basics, and based upon the two you shared, the basics are basically near minty! You have been added to the Hall of EGGS.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Just a visible bump, but not one that you should be too concerned about, or feel the need to visit a doctor.

I would love to add some more yolks to the list, especially those who are beginning or are just a little ways on their EGGS journey.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

I saw that the below was accidentally posted to another thread, so am adding it here and to the EGGS list. Mother Hen is always on the lookout for errant EGGS posts.

Brian


Alaskanmade
member

[QUOTE=familytoad;2239357]I agree 4 is a nice solid grade for the EGGS basket. What’s your score?

My EGGS is 75
I am not chasing the 400, I'm only chasing the 99 (HOF front variants + Cicotte + Chase)

7 Joss, Addie
6 Johnson, Walter
6 Young, Cy
5 Mathewson, Christy
4 Collins, Eddie - mouth open
4 Speaker, Tris
4 Walsh, Ed
3 Cicotte, Eddie
3 Evers, Johnny
3 Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines
2 Baker, Frank
2 Bender, Chief
2 Bresnahan, Roger - mouth closed
2 Brown, Mordecai
2 Chance, Frank
2 Chase, Hal - border on shirt
2 Clarke, Fred
2 Collins, Eddie - mouth closed
2 Duffy, Hugh
2 Huggins, Miller
2 Jennings, Hugh
2 Marquard, Rube
2 McGraw, John
2 Tinker, Joe
2 Wallace, Bobby - with cap

[nebboy]

Finally got around to counting my eggs ((251))
Having obtained all the HOFs, SPs, and cards that are least a 2 or above from the regular set. I found I have no real want to go after the remaining commons. So not complete set or 400 for me. Still my favorite set of all time.

[62corvette]

I'm at 359. No Hoblitzell, Matty, or suffered. Funny, in 1975 my set was complete. A number of variations have been added since. Any extra points for having the first Hindu reported in the hobby? (1974)--Rich Egan was the keeper of the master list back then. Correspondence with Lionel Carter, Egan, etc found them initially dubious. My "scanner" back then was a Canon camera with film in it. Had to send them prints to convince then there was such an animal as a T205 Hindu.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by 62corvette

I'm at 359. No Hoblitzell, Matty, or suffered. Funny, in 1975 my set was complete. A number of variations have been added since. Any extra points for having the first Hindu reported in the hobby? (1974)--Rich Egan was the keeper of the master list back then. Correspondence with Lionel Carter, Egan, etc found them initially dubious. My "scanner" back then was a Canon camera with film in it. Had to send them prints to convince then there was such an animal as a T205 Hindu.

So cool that your set has been intact for almost 50 years. And no wonder why Hindu cards are so tough to come by...you captured your Hindu's soul with your camera, and thus all the smart T205 Hindus subsequently went into hiding!

Brian

[brianp-beme]

EGGS EGGS everywhere, spotted an updated # on the August pick-up thread (a nice Cobb), so have updated accordingly on post #2.

Brian

[Eggoman]

Hey Brian:

my brother found me a Doc White - no quotation marks on Doc at the Nat'l. Please give me another "*"

[chadeast]

Hi all. I just started my T205 set in earnest last month. Thanks to a few BST buys I'm at 60 cards, almost all ungraded. Looks like my EGGS is 65 thanks to the WaJo which I've had for a while. Fun idea, I'll try to remember to update my progress here. Oh, and if anyone has dupes they'd like to sell, I'm interested!

Thanks

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by chadeast

Hi all. I just started my T205 set in earnest last month. Thanks to a few BST buys I'm at 60 cards, almost all ungraded. Looks like my EGGS is 65 thanks to the WaJo which I've had for a while. Fun idea, I'll try to remember to update my progress here. Oh, and if anyone has dupes they'd like to sell, I'm interested!

Thanks

Always nice to see some fresh blood on the EGGS list. Keep us updated on your progress.

Brian

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by chadeast

Hi all. I just started my T205 set in earnest last month. Thanks to a few BST buys I'm at 60 cards, almost all ungraded. Looks like my EGGS is 65 thanks to the WaJo which I've had for a while. Fun idea, I'll try to remember to update my progress here. Oh, and if anyone has dupes they'd like to sell, I'm interested!

Thanks

I've added 15 cards since my last post. I've got some traction now on HOFers, including Young, Wallace, Bender, Tinker, and Chance. As best I can tell, EGGS at 90 now. Here's a couple of my latest additions, courtesy of BST (thanks Jay) and LOTG.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by chadeast

I've added 15 cards since my last post. I've got some traction now on HOFers, including Young, Wallace, Bender, Tinker, and Chance. As best I can tell, EGGS at 90 now. Here's a couple of my latest additions, courtesy of BST (thanks Jay) and LOTG.

Welcome to the 7 dozen+ club!

Brian

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by chadeast

I've added 15 cards since my last post. I've got some traction now on HOFers, including Young, Wallace, Bender, Tinker, and Chance. As best I can tell, EGGS at 90 now. Here's a couple of my latest additions, courtesy of BST (thanks Jay) and LOTG.

I picked up 9 more during the last two weeks, up to 84 cards total now I believe. EGGS of 106 thanks to a couple of big pickups including Speaker and this Matty from a board member.

[brianp-beme]

Good looking Matty, and as a bonus it appears nicely in focus. 3 digit EGGS for you!

Brian

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by chadeast

I picked up 9 more during the last two weeks, up to 84 cards total now I believe. EGGS of 106 thanks to a couple of big pickups including Speaker and this Matty from a board member.

38 more cards added in the last few months, so I'm up to 122, and add another 48 to my EGGS (I think) so my best guess is that I'm at 154. New HOF pickups include Wheat, McGraw, Jennings, Collins closed mouth, Wallace no cap, Marquard, Huggins, and Duffy. I'll try to add some scans when I have time.

EDIT: I did the math and my EGGS is actually 163. I had missed a bunch of 2's.

[Millerd33]

After the Philly show you can move me up to 382.
No Stats remains.

[kmac32]

i have 149 out of a possible 151 T205 Cubs with multiple back runs. The only 2 cards I am missing from the subset are the Kling and Pfiester Hindu cards.

[brianp-beme]

Only need to knock the Hobby no stats cap off the Kraken, Millerd33, to vanquish the beast.

And Ken, when I have some time I will figure out your Kraken number. As per strict Kraken rules, your Master Cubs collection will have a relatively small numerical number, but I will note the masterliness of your Cubs group. I remember when you just started on it, I mentioned it might be impossible for you to achieve...you have almost proven me wrong. Find those 2 Hindus!

Brian

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Only need to knock the Hobby no stats cap off the Kraken, Millerd33, to vanquish the beast.

And Ken, when I have some time I will figure out your Kraken number. As per strict Kraken rules, your Master Cubs collection will have a relatively small numerical number, but I will note the masterliness of your Cubs group. I remember when you just started on it, I mentioned it might be impossible for you to achieve...you have almost proven me wrong. Find those 2 Hindus!

Brian

Clarification, are you calling T205 an EGGS number or a Kraken number?

EDIT: nm, I figured it out when I saw your other thread. Kraken is the E90-1 set.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by kmac32

i have 149 out of a possible 151 T205 Cubs with multiple back runs. The only 2 cards I am missing from the subset are the Kling and Pfiester Hindu cards.

Great to hear Ken - good luck with the last two!

[CobbSpikedMe]

Hey Brian,

Just getting around to checking out this thread and counted my holdings. You can put me at 29* EGGS points for now. I just starting to pick up more T205s so hopefully I will be able to chime in more in the future as well.

Thanks.



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[brianp-beme]

Welcome Andy. May your future be filled with numerous EGGS and asterisks.

Brian

[todeen]

This picture has been making its rounds through social media, thought I'd add it here. Anyone know if this is a member of Net54?

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[Alaskanmade]

I believe that is: orioles70

[orioles70]

I finally took some time and went thru all my T205's to see if I had any of those "speckled eggs"

I believe I may have found 3...

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base, no yellowish stripe in background

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'...possibly 2 of them

Let me know if these appear correct

Thanks

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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by orioles70

I finally took some time and went thru all my T205's to see if I had any of those "speckled eggs"

I believe I may have found 3...

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base, no yellowish stripe in background

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'...possibly 2 of them

Let me know if these appear correct

Thanks

I have laid 3 speckled eggs in your roost. Not an expert on these variations, but they seem alright...if someone thinks otherwise, let us know, and I will snatch one (or more) away like the wily fox I am not.

Brian

[TigerMike]

Please move me up to 398* with pickup of Adkins and Bresnahan open! 1 to go....still looking for Hoblitzell name incorrect. Thanks for the update.