SGC card returned as likely trimmed. Help me understand.

[luciobar1980]

Hey there. First off, I know this isn't pre-war but given this question would really be applicable to any card I thought it would be ok to post here to get more eyes on it.

I submitted this card to SGC a few months ago. At the time I checked the both to NOT slab the card if found to be altered. Now, looking at the card, I thought this was a clear case of mouse chew: the edge of the tear is jagged, doesn't look like someone "cut" or trimmed it. So, it came back unslabbed and "likely trimmed". Why? If this is indeed mouse chew why would they consider that trimming? I measured the card against other 56s and it measures as big or bigger than any i have, and the edges really don't look trimmed. I would find that hard to believe that this card is trimmed in the usual sense. So why wouldn't this grade a 1? Do they consider a mouse chewing on a card as "altered" vs just damaged? Makes no sense to me.

[bobbyw8469]

You just stated you asked to NOT have the card slabbed if authentic only. I hate to say it, but that card is not ever worthy of being a '1'. Authentic only would be the only route to take....which you said you didn't want.

[luciobar1980]

Ok, well I guess that answers my question. In my mind a "1" was always the bare minimum that any card could grade as long as it was not altered? I guess though, the more I think about it that doesn't make sense as you could have a card missing even more than what my card is missing, and at what point do you draw the line.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Ok, well I guess that answers my question. In my mind a "1" was always the bare minimum that any card could grade as long as it was not altered? I guess though, the more I think about it that doesn't make sense as you could have a card missing even more than what my card is missing, and at what point do you draw the line.

The card needs to be square. Yes, it can be creased all to hell.....but if there are a chunk of card missing where it is no longer having an outline, then you won't get a grade. For example, there was an absolute beauty of a 1954 Hank Aaron rookie card in last Weds HUggins and Scott auction. It was missing a corner. Around the size of a nickle.....totally gone. That card would be authentic only as well....and I would love to have had it. I hate that you wasted your money like that, but that was the obviously outcome. You should have gotten it slabbed.

[NiceDocter]

Are you sure someone didn’t try to “even it up “ by slightly trimming the area around the P on the hat? Can’t tell from that one picture…. not that it would change much … it’s an Altered Authentic card… still pretty cool.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

Are you sure someone didn’t try to “even it up “ by slightly trimming the area around the P on the hat? Can’t tell from that one picture…. not that it would change much … it’s an Altered Authentic card… still pretty cool.

I dunno, I don't think so. It seems unlikely to me a human had anything to do with the missing area, but who knows.

Anyways, it seems that is irrelevant based on what Robert has said.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The card needs to be square. Yes, it can be creased all to hell.....but if there are a chunk of card missing where it is no longer having an outline, then you won't get a grade. For example, there was an absolute beauty of a 1954 Hank Aaron rookie card in last Weds HUggins and Scott auction. It was missing a corner. Around the size of a nickle.....totally gone. That card would be authentic only as well....and I would love to have had it. I hate that you wasted your money like that, but that was the obviously outcome. You should have gotten it slabbed.

Yeah, total waste of money.

See, that wasn't clear to me and still doesn't really make sense to me in my mind. It's sort of a gray area to me. Where does it say a missing piece automatically makes the card ungradeable?

Here's 2 extreme examples:

a) You have an absolutely pristine card except it's missing a corner, nice and evenly cut. That card is ungradeable

b) you have a "complete" card that has been creased to hell, run over, dirty. This card is gradeable?

I dunno, it seems sort of arbitrary to me.

[Casey2296]

Heres an example of a corner cut, will never be more than an "A", which your Clemente would get.
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[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I dunno, it seems sort of arbitrary to me.

You paid for an opinion, and opinions are arbitrary.

From the interwebs :

o·pin·ion
/əˈpinyən/
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

NOT NECESSARILY BASE ON FACT OR KNOWLEDGE

[BobC]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, total waste of money.

See, that wasn't clear to me and still doesn't really make sense to me in my mind. It's sort of a gray area to me. Where does it say a missing piece automatically makes the card ungradeable?

Here's 2 extreme examples:

a) You have an absolutely pristine card except it's missing a corner, nice and evenly cut. That card is ungradeable

b) you have a "complete" card that has been creased to hell, run over, dirty. This card is gradeable?

I dunno, it seems sort of arbitrary to me.

Welcome to the world of grading!