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Old 12-14-2020, 04:23 PM
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It's time to play the game of what am I again for a particular issue that I have had since roughly 2006, an unknown issuer group of Pittsburgh Pirates images that were cut from a larger piece. All on stock roughly the same as postcard stock.

To date no one has ever seen another or any idea what they come from. I now have a new piece to the puzzle, which does seem to date them as contemporary to the circa 1910 era. After 15 years I have obtained another, Fred Clarke which has been cut off another of the larger unknown items, and had the bottom caption area cut off. It came in a small group or RPPC's and a few lithograph items from Armstrong county, PA all of which dated in the 1900's-1910's.

The piece has several unusual attributes....It has a 2 cent which may have been from 1917-1919 when the postcard rate was raised during WWI. It has the period correct flag cancel on the stamp, however the stamp is not tied to the piece by the postmark which is odd, as the rest of the cancel should show. It also has Fred Clark written on it in fountain pen, in the same ink as the addressee is written, right down to the steel tip marks made by the pen. It appears to have been addressed after the piece was creased and the paper stock broken, as the inks has bled where the pen tip crossed the broken stock. Oddly the Fred Clark looks 95% like the way Fred Clarke signed his name, but has a few subtle differences. The addressee is the wife of a very well known Armstrong county businessman William P. Lauster.

The piece while answering very few questions about the origin or issuer of the Pirates pieces, raises a laundry list of questions on it's own.

Was it really mailed? If not why paste a used 2 cent stamp on it? Why write Fred Clark(e)'s name on it? Did Fred Clark(e) actually write his name on it? perhaps his early signatures were slightly different? How many people could have had any idea what Fred Clarke's signature even looked like in that era? IF it's a forgery of sorts, why? I paid not all that much for the entire group,, none of which was placed on the signature being real, from a picker found at an estate sale?

Anyone have any ideas or thoughts to the origin of the Pirates issue or the later homemade "postcard"?

I added an image of both Clarke's for comparison.

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Old 12-14-2020, 05:18 PM
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Could it just be a sad case of someone taking an interesting Fred Clarke piece and trying to gussy it up to make a killing? The cancelled stamp being added and the writing over existing creases suggest that to me.
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Old 12-14-2020, 05:30 PM
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The signature is off too. I think you may be right about gussying it up.
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Old 12-14-2020, 05:41 PM
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They had no idea what it was, and expressed that they had looked up the signature and did not see a match just similarities. I paid about $10 per postcard, about the going rate for generic RPPC's.

I am disappointed the stamp and cancel are not tied to the piece for an exact date, but still believe the piece has been with the others for decades. Especially since the Clark item is dressed to a known member of the communities wife.. why not make address it to him for a ploy as he is a googleable(made that word up).

All that being said I am much more interested in what these Pirates "cards" were cut from, several like the new Clark have bits of red border showing when cut wide. None of the ones I have from the initial group can be put together by the roughly cut sides, so there must have been ample space between them and cut to size???
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Old 12-14-2020, 05:45 PM
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If you were going for a forgery, why not use the correct 1 cent Benjamin Franklin stamp? And why use such an obscure lithograph of which there are no others known(other than the group I have).

I think it's more likely some local citizen/Pirates fan had this Clark piece at his disposal, albeit a bit creased/cracked and decided to send it to his neighbor, which in those days it was not uncommon to drop an item in their rural mailbox without mailing it and he just stuck a used stamp on it.( I am tempted to remove the stamp and see if it has toning from the perforations indicating the stamp had been attached for a long time).

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Old 12-14-2020, 08:35 PM
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Maybe it was a kid who recycled the stamp for hand delivery. Might explain the poor handwriting too. Never seen it before.
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