This can't be real? Can it?

[Seven]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Goudey...EAAOSwWBJfq4HH

I'm so confused by this guys listings. Is this a classic case of fake card listed with a bunch of real ones? The red flags seem to be going up.

[oldeboo]

Crummy fake. That guy is selling some really bad fakes along with some cards that look good. Here is a sampling of his fantasy/art cards.

[oldeboo]

Here is one of his cards that should sell for six figures.

[jayshum]

I haven't collected 1933 Goudeys or any of the Tobacco card sets shown so far in this thread. I am curious how you can determine that the cards shown are not real. Can someone please provide information about what to look for in cards like these to tell that they are not original?

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I haven't collected 1933 Goudeys or any of the Tobacco card sets shown so far in this thread. I am curious how you can determine that the cards shown are not real. Can someone please provide information about what to look for in cards like these to tell that they are not original?

No problem, hope this helps.

There are generally 3 main types of fakes in my mind. First, you have mass produced hobby reprints that have had the word "reprint" removed, then the card is stained and aged to look real. Next, you have modern day forgeries coming out of China that are using a horrible looking aged print or paper, and are REALLY bad, as seen on the Colgan's below. Finally, you have a slightly more believable fake like the Ruth.

You want to look for reprints that have "reprint" on the card and see if that area has been messed with. Beyond that, you get into the forgeries. When trying to detect through images online the main signs that are easy to see are low image quality, odd paper coloring, and unrealistic wear among others. A sign that you have a legit 1933 Goudey is that you will see some of the front image on the back, that's not 100% the case, but a good sign if you see it.

Also, it might not be a fair assessment, but you need to assume every raw 1933 Goudey Ruth on Ebay is fake because 99% are. Same can be said for any high dollar raw card, you need to assume it's fake until facts prove otherwise.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

Here is one of his cards that should sell for six figures.

I didn't even notice that listing for the Ty Cobb back

My ability to detect fakes on Goudey's isn't the best, so I figured I post here. I believe he's offering returns though, which is unusual considering most scammers don't offer returns.

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Seven

I didn't even notice that listing for the Ty Cobb back

My ability to detect fakes on Goudey's isn't the best, so I figured I post here. I believe he's offering returns though, which is unusual considering most scammers don't offer returns.

Most of the scammers running this scam don't post high resolution images to analyze either. I wouldn't doubt that, in this case, the seller was a victim at some point in the past. Whether they figured that out or not, who knows.

[steve B]

On the fake ruth, the big tip off is how any dark ink has a bit of spread into the lighter colors next to it.

The halo of blue around his head, the graininess of the roof at the right.

All stuff you see on things printed on a cheap computer printer.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Seven

I believe he's offering returns though, which is unusual considering most scammers don't offer returns.

They have to provide returns even if they say they won't. Ebay policy. So why not just say returns allowed within 30 days? It makes the buyer feel more relaxed.

I bought two fake Speaker strip cards 2-3 years ago. One arrived and I knew it was a fake immediately. Paper wasn't right holding it in my fingers. Asked for a refund and I got it within hours.

The other fake was really well done. I posted it on Net54, and a member said the going opinion on the board was that the name in blue ink was a fake. That was the only detail that they debated. It's so well done that I kept it.

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[Browns1981]

I just won't even consider raw vintage cards on ebay. I'll only look for graded. It's sad.

[LACardsGuy]

there is a big difference between returns and not as described insurances from Ebay. as a seller, you might not want to take returns because there are people who buy cards, get out the magnifying glass, and decide they don't want to pay as much as they did. a seller does not have to accept that return request, unless the buyer says it isn't as described (and then seller has no choice).

Originally Posted by todeen

They have to provide returns even if they say they won't. Ebay policy. So why not just say returns allowed within 30 days? It makes the buyer feel more relaxed.

[Django7975]

I bought this raw on eBay. Turned out swell


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