ebay missing card gone bad

[brewing]

requesting to delete this thread

[ramram]

Unbelievable.

[sportscardpete]

Thanks for sharing. It’s a shame some people are that pathetic. Sorry you had to deal with this.

[timn1]

WTF, Justin?

Brent,
did you post this on Blowout?

[brewing]

Here's his PSA profile
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist.../profile/71750

[tiger8mush]

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83

[slidekellyslide]

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post16448994

[Seven]

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation. The level of dishonesty by this shady character is beyond belief. I'm sure this isn't the first time he's pulled a scam like this either. I'm not sure what the best course of action is here, maybe getting in contact with law enforcement? Reaching out to legal representation? I'm sure other board members here know better than I do and will offer suggestions.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

EDIT: I do think both sides of the story are important, and I may have been too quick to judge. I wonder what the full story is. For sake of transparency I apologize if I jumped to conclusions.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Seven

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

It’s definitely not the money. While irritating, it’s mostly the principle.

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[68Hawk]

With the response from Justin, I'd suggest a change to the thread title.
It is entirely possible that both scenarios seemed true from each of participating perspectives. His offer to make good on the loss suffered by the OP and lack of other wrongful activities suggests to me benefit of the doubt would be the better course.

A thread title like that lingers long and and harshly.
For a $73 item? I think it unlikely.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

If you truly did not get the card , I’m not sure why you would offer to “buy” your integrity back so quickly.

[nineunder71]

While I also believe the Buyer acted accordingly on his documented presumptions

Thank You Justin for your response

I believe your actions have cleared your name here

Please see my first post on this thread, along with others that were ‘curious’ as to important details, Not everyone judged you immediately!

This was/is a sticky case due to multiple details/issues presented

This is an awesome forum, I hope your future experiences here are better

Again, there is just too much of this going on right now

I side with BOTH, in this case

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[mrdbrooks77]

He is on fb. I messaged him. We will see.

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[farberjustin]

Sorry for the delay in responding all. I had to create an account to respond.

Originally Posted by brewing

First time I heard of issue was on Sept 2nd when justinfarber10 opens a case.
I've gone thru steps with USPS, no luck there.
He requests to close case and ebay decides in their favor on Sept 11th.

Exactly, I waited nearly a month before opening a case. And then I waited over a week for you to offer a solution, you did not.

Originally Posted by brewing

justinfarber10 has been unresponsive to all messages sent outside of his ebay case.

You sent me two eBay messages, neither asked a question, proposed a solution or requested my response in any way.

Originally Posted by brewing

Checked and the card is in his PSA T206 registered set. I requested removal through PSA and he denied my removal request.

My side for those who waited before assuming the worst: I did not receive the card. I added it to my registry when I bought it on eBay using the image barcode. When I got the request to remove it, I rejected it since I rarely sell T206 cards (only when I acquire duplicates) and I hadn't sold any recently, so I was confused as to why I was receiving the request. I did not realize it was for the card I had not received until now.

My apologies for the inconvenience, it is now removed it from my registry.

As I said on Blowout, I feel like I'm being shook down here to cover your loss. If this is what you want I'd appreciate you being direct in asking. Post your PayPal and I'll cover it to clear my name. I wouldn't risk my reputation as seller, FB group admin or member of the Blowout forum for $73.

[Rhotchkiss]

Over $73, someone has either committed libel (Brewing) or theft (Justin). Good times.....

Having read this thread, my bet is this is an unfortunate, $73 misunderstanding

[brewing]

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Sorry for the delay in responding all. I had to create an account to respond.

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.

The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

I will edit title of thread now and after deletion I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by brewing

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

Nice offer. I hope this follows through, it would be nice to see something good come out of this.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Nice offer. I hope this follows through, it would be nice to see something good come out of this.

What you should be doing is apologizing for your previous comment.
Have some integrity....
THAT'S what would be nice to see for an outcome of this thread...
The sanctimonious finger pointers admitting they were wrong.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

What you should be doing is apologizing for your previous comment.
Have some integrity....
THAT'S what would be nice to see for an outcome of this thread...
The sanctimonious finger pointers admitting they were wrong.

I commented based on the evidence presented, I won't apologize for that.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by brewing

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.

The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

I will edit title of thread now and after deletion I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.

With all due respect Brent... He cleared his name and owes you nothing.

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by brewing

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.

Thanks, I'll start browsing threads

Originally Posted by brewing

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.
The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.

Again, we clearly have different communication styles. I opened a case in order to reach a resolution quickly. Buyers have done this to me as a seller as well, and I don't what other information I would need to solicit from them as a seller. Apologies again is this offended you.

Originally Posted by brewing

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.

I really don't like it either and really don't appreciate the terribly negative assumptions you and others in this thread have made about me. I love this hobby and have made tons of friends in it. I'm not a perfect person or overly empathic, but definitely would have expressed empathy if it was a larger loss (>$100).

Originally Posted by brewing

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

Done, thanks for picking an excellent organization.

Originally Posted by brewing

I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.

Please send me the link when you do. I would love if this card eventually turns up!

[Oscar_Stanage]

[b]justinfarber10 has been unresponsive to all messages sent outside of his ebay case.

"You sent me two eBay messages, neither asked a question, proposed a solution or requested my response in any way." - Justin



I believe both parties are telling the truth. Justin has a positive reputation, his explanations are plausible, and he does not appear to have a profile of someone who rips you off for $73. And, Brewing acted reasonably by exhausting all options given the hand he was dealt. he had no choice but to take this public.

I will say this was entirely avoidable, the one thing I do not understand is Justin's non-responsiveness. I have bought hundreds of cards from Ebay in the last 3 months and at the first inkling of an issue, I hit the "contact seller" button and ask them about my items. On two occasions, an item ended up tracking to a random post office on the other side of the country, and on one occasion the item was 'delivered' to the wrong location (seller filed a report with USPS, and it was back on track in a day). All matters were handled via email. Bottom line is that communication cures all ills. So I am little confused as to why you would not respond when a seller contacts you twice. I did not see the actual messages, but I am not sure why there needs to be a question or a specific request. An item was lost, just tell the guy... he obviously cared enough to contact you.

[swarmee]

It's standard operating procedure for most Blowout guys to recommend "Open a case and don't escalate anything. Just let eBay handle it." Mainly because discussing an open missing item case or INAD case with the seller will normally end in further complications than just ignoring all messages.
The culture is different because they're used to dealing with more scammers, and the best way to do that is to follow eBay's procedures.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by swarmee

It's standard operating procedure for most Blowout guys to recommend "Open a case and don't escalate anything. Just let eBay handle it." Mainly because discussing an open missing item case or INAD case with the seller will normally end in further complications than just ignoring all messages.
The culture is different because they're used to dealing with more scammers, and the best way to do that is to follow eBay's procedures.

makes sense. thank you for the info. I definitely already believed Justin's explanation. This comment clarifies my earlier question.

[Casey2296]

I just donated $73.83 to the Negro League Museum, inspired by this thread.

Lets see how many other Net54 members can donate the same amount just to put a smile on the face of the Museum directors when they receive a bunch of $73.83 donations from random members.

Its a much better use of time instead of bickering like old married folks.

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I just donated $73.83 to the Negro League Museum, inspired by this thread.

Lets see how many other Net54 members can donate the same amount just to put a smile on the face of the Museum directors when they receive a bunch of $73.83 donations from random members.

Its a much better use of time instead of bickering like old married folks.

Love it! I rounded mine up to $74 but wish I had done the .83 haha

[Rhotchkiss]

Done. I just donated $73.84 to the museum. Great idea!! Let’s turn this shit-show of a thread into a good thing

See alternative thread on donating called member challenge

[commishbob]

I’m in as well

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[Gorditadogg]

Here is mine.

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