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Need help with T210 Player Identification!
Now that I have some time to kill, I have decided to identify which players in the T210 set were catchers.
Last night I discovered a major omission in the Baseball Reference data base with regards to Series 4 T210 players. Data for the 1910 teams in Series 4, namely, Charleston, Huntington, Montgemery, and Pt. Pleasant does not exist beyond overall team records and managers' names. In other words, unlike data for all other T210 Series, team rosters are not found. My guess is that this omission is a result of the fact that the teams belonged to the Virginia Valley League, which lasted for just a single year, 1910. These teams became the Mountain States League in 1911. To complicate matters further, the Pt. Pleasant team actually moved from Pt. Pleasant, West Virginia to Gallipolis, Ohio during the 1910 season. On a brighter note, Baseball Reference actually lists players in Series 5, Carolina Association by position below the player rosters which helps greatly. The first player I'm looking for help to identify in Series 1 is the player listed as Shields, who is pictured with the Augusta Tourist 1910 team. He's not listed on the team's official roster. Could this be Mike Shields who played for Roanake Tigers in the Virginia League in 1911 and 1912? Unfortunately, no position is listed. Thanks in advance for your help! Patrick Last edited by Vintagecatcher; 04-20-2020 at 07:48 AM. |
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not Mike
I can't pin it down for you, but the player is not the Mike Shields who played for Roanoke in 1911. That player was an infielder who played at least some 2b and who had come from college ball at Washington & Lee Univ.
The Shields you are looking for appears to have come from Arkansas, and was a catcher--possibly converted from 1b, who at least started the season in Augusta, although I could find nothing about him in 1910 throughout the season.
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After looking at newspapers from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi in 1910 on Newspapers.com, it appears that it might be Charlie/Charley Shields.
He was a pitcher with Memphis in 1909. He then injured his arm, and was released. Then, a Shields appears as a catcher in March 1910, in Augusta, GA, when the pictures for the T210 set were taken. After that, Shields shows up in Meridian, MS as a catcher and outfielder. He appears in the 1910 US Federal Census, on 23 Apr 1910, living in Memphis, Shelby County, TN. His age is listed as 30, and he was living with his mother and father. He listed his occupation as "Ball Player, Southern League". He was back in Memphis in July, 1910, presumably out of the game. Steve
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Thanks gentleman!
Thanks for the help gentleman!
I appreciate it! Patrick |
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I just found Charley Shields in the 1920 Federal Census, still in Memphis, still living with his now-widowed mother. He listed his occupation in 1920 as "Professional Ball Player".
Stev
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Not likely Charley Shields in the T210 set. There is a Charlie Shields listed as pitching for Memphis through 1908. He was a southpaw, and the T210 pic is of a righty (not surprisingly, as a catcher).
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