2 1964 Topps Pete Rose. Which would you prefer?

[luciobar1980]

Hey guys, interested to hear which card people would generally prefer as this is something I struggle with myself. We have a PSA 6 and PSA 7.

Here are some various aspects to consider:

PSA 6:

Color strike and black are super rich
A-grade gloss
Card has a fresh from pack look, whites are very white
Off center top to bottom
Very small wrinkle top right corner
Card is overall very sharp

PSA 7:

Better focus/registration
A-grade gloss
colors and black not as rich/contrasty as the 6
decently sharp but not as sharp as the 6 IMO
Nicely centered
back is crisper and has a deeper red color

I'm torn. I love the contrast and color and freshness of the 6, but the centering bothers me more than i thought it would, in hand. *Some of the above observations are harder to see in the pic.

[quitcrab]

7 all day

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

I like the centering and overall appearance of the 7.

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[Tyruscobb]

The 7 looks trimmed to me.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

I like the centering and overall appearance of the 7.

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The centering through my eyes is off on both. The Richness of the "REDS" on the 6 has me picking that one all day long.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The centering through my eyes is off on both. The Richness of the "REDS" on the 6 has me picking that one all day long.

To each his own. Two nice cards...

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[Phil68]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The centering through my eyes is off on both. The Richness of the "REDS" on the 6 has me picking that one all day long.

It's funny...the "Richness" is actually because the card is terribly out of register and, frankly, quite flawed technically.
It's poor printing--that PSA seems to not understand, as well--that creates that effect. The NM 7 is properly focused and the plates are tight. It's interesting that collectors like poorly registered cards; but some do! I can't stand blurry or off-centered cards. To each, his own. The hobby is great like that.

The card certainly does not appear "problematic" or trimmed and I happen to agree that folks are WAAAAAY to quick to start the "Altered" commentary. It's your right to do so, but it's silly. PSA, and others, certainly miss some. There are obviously altered cards floating around, but it's not the epidemic proportion the doomsayer would suggest.

Try this...trim up a few of your cards. Film it. Document it. Submit the cards and see what happens. That's a post I would enjoy.

[Phil68]

Lucio,
How important is a '64 Rose to you? If it's a mid-level want card, go with the least expensive (both cards are beautiful). If it's a high-level "wantlist" card, then...buy 'em both and sit on them awhile and see which you like more. It's tough to pull the trigger when you're torn. I understand that one. I'm sitting on 3 '56 NM/MT Elston Howard cards that each have different qualities. One of them I'm keeping because his lips are the "most red"...Talk about a nutjob! Lol

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Phil68

It's funny...the "Richness" is actually because the card is terribly out of register and, frankly, quite flawed technically.
It's poor printing--that PSA seems to not understand, as well--that creates that effect. The NM 7 is properly focused and the plates are tight. It's interesting that collectors like poorly registered cards; but some do! I can't stand blurry or off-centered cards. To each, his own. The hobby is great like that.

The card certainly does not appear "problematic" or trimmed and I happen to agree that folks are WAAAAAY to quick to start the "Altered" commentary. It's your right to do so, but it's silly. PSA, and others, certainly miss some. There are obviously altered cards floating around, but it's not the epidemic proportion the doomsayer would suggest.

Try this...trim up a few of your cards. Film it. Document it. Submit the cards and see what happens. That's a post I would enjoy.

I agree with you. All of the quick conclusions here of "oh everyone knows it's trimmed" (when something doesn't appear practically perfect in the holder, or an edge could be a little off) has stood out to me too since I joined.

Obviously altering has been outed as more of a problem than most would have expected, but these exaggerations like "oh I know this is obviously short" and "half of the cards in existence are trimmed" seem more like anger and frustration spilling out than anything else. I'd imagine there are plenty of slight diamond cut issues and factory differences that often account for an initial appearance of minuscule edge or size variations

[rats60]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

I like the centering and overall appearance of the 7.

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Perfect 45/45 centering.

[luciobar1980]

You guys are crazy. The cards are the same exact height in person.

[luciobar1980]

How is it you post about one thing and immediately people want to jump down your throat about your card being trimmed? And from a photograph.

[luciobar1980]

I'm checking this card on ebay and plenty seem to have as much spaceas my 7, and some a little less perhaps. Is it possible that these card varied by less than a millimeter in their production? You guys are making me paranoid.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

How is it you post about one thing and immediately people want to jump down your throat about your card being trimmed? And from a photograph.

Why the hell are you getting so pissy???? You're asking for opinions and someone points out how much the card is swimming in the holder and you are all annoyed???? Huh???? If he didn't say it, I would have. A hundred people would have. That card is very problematic.

[Hxcmilkshake]

7 has alot of room in the holder and top edge is not straight. Ez pass.

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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

7 has alot of room in the holder and top edge is not straight. Ez pass.

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Ok, now I see it. Yes, the top edge doesn't look right to me either. I guess I have seen so much craziness production-wise from Topps in the 60s and 70s that I didn't notice that top edge.

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[Mark17]

They are both nice cards. Since you can resell a 7 for more than a 6, keep the 6, sell the 7, and have more $$$ to play with.

I wouldn't agonize it too much.