1965 Topps High Numbers Question

[Bocabirdman]

Hi Guys,

What number do 1965 Topps Hi Numbers start with? I looked around and different sources sort of fudge it by saying the Seventh Series. I know the # 523 Brumley is the first of the Short Prints. Is THAT where the Hi# start? Hell, I even found an article that cited 371-598 as Hi Numbers Is there really such a thing as a 1965 Semi-Hi Number? If so, what qualifies for that?

[jchcollins]

I'm not 100% sure, but the 7th series checklist starts with #507. I would assume that is the official start of the highs...

[Bocabirdman]

I am beginning to think that might be it....or it could be dealer's choice.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I am beginning to think that might be it....or it could be dealer's choice.

If a dealer is trying to pass off a semi-high as a high...well ok, but that's kind of BS. There is a defined starting point for all of them. That being said, '65 high numbers aren't really notorious as difficult ones, so as long as you are not buying like uber high-end graded cards, I would not think they are going to be dramatically more expensive for commons.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

If a dealer is trying to pass off a semi-high as a high...well ok, but that's kind of BS. There is a defined starting point for all of them. That being said, '65 high numbers aren't really notorious as difficult ones, so as long as you are not buying like uber high-end graded cards, I would not think they are going to be dramatically more expensive for commons.

I have seen some steady Centering issues with a good percentage of the Hi #s


Yes, I think that the Semi-Hi moniker is sort of a marketing ploy. However, they do seem to command SLIGHTLY more than low numbers. The Hi #/SP Premium is still not much compared to say 1967 or 1966. I am returning to the world of Topps after a decade flopping around in the Tobacco Card end of the pool. I am just trying to confirm (relearn to some extent.). Thank You for your help.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I have seen some steady Centering issues with a good percentage of the Hi #s


Yes, I think that the Semi-Hi moniker is sort of a marketing ploy. However, they do seem to command SLIGHTLY more than low numbers. The Hi #/SP Premium is still not much compared to say 1967 or 1966. I am returning to the world of Topps after a decade flopping around in the Tobacco Card end of the pool. I am just trying to confirm (relearn to some extent.). Thank You for your help.

To me, much of the high number hoopla is a moot point in today's tidily allocated marketplace / collecting world, where virtually any card ever produced, or at least a good 95% of them - can be at your doorstep within a week assuming you can afford it. A lot of the original drama around high numbers being difficult is that they actually were impossible to find back in the shop and show shoeleather days in the 1980's and earlier of having to go somewhere and look at tables, and in bins trying to find something. Back then, you literally couldn't find the card. It may not have been overly expensive, but some other collector beat you to it 20 minutes earlier. Today for all intents and purposes - as we all sit in our pajamas in front of the keyboard - "rare" cards simply mean they cost more if you want to pony up.

[Kevvyg1026]

The 5th, 6th, and 7th series in 1965 were each 77 card series. Series 7 goes from 523 to 598, plus another copy of 507. Series 6 goes from 446 to 522 plus another copy of check 6. One half of a sheet is known from series 7, and Cliff and I have worked out a likely 2nd half sheet. Very little of series 6 is known, while both half sheets from series 5 are known.

There are short prints in all three of these series, but the Sps are still relatively available.

[lombo69]

How do you tell the difference between the large print & small print on the 7th series checklist variation if your not holding them next to each other.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by lombo69

How do you tell the difference between the large print & small print on the 7th series checklist variation if your not holding them next to each other.

With luck or better eyeballs than I have.

Seriously, this one I struggle to see even with several in hand. The best tell, I think, is to ignore the front print and look at the gap between the baseball on the back that contains the card number, and the blue bottom border.

[mikemb]

Large Print and Small Print. Not sure if it is my eyes but the "m" in #572 Orioles Team looks a bit cut off in the small pribt version.

Mike

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[ALR-bishop]

Mike---just checked my two and agree the m is a little truncated on what I would call the version with the darker print on the front. Note that the version with the defective m also has a larger area of yellow below the names than the other version. I find that the easiest way to distinguish the two fronts

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Note that the version with the defective m also has a larger area of yellow below the names than the other version. I find that the easiest way to distinguish the two fronts

Aha, I see that now, otherwise I looked and looked and couldn't find any differences.