Condition Expectations

I recently purchased a 1972 Topps partial set 755/787 that was advertised as "NM" for $728. The description indicated that the set was EX-NRMT with 10% lesser.

The set arrived today and as I was going through the cards I noticed water damage on several cards (including nearly every star). After noticing the damage I started going through the cards very closely and found well over 100 with clear water damage and a solid 100 more with discoloration from likely similar exposure.

***water damage is significantly more offensive to me than normal wear.

I am generally reasonable and expect to find cards that will need to be replaced when I purchase a set/lot. I do not get upset because a few cards slip through below grade.

In this case, I opened a return to send the set back. I felt that if I kept the set I would likely be finding more damages for the next year and ultimately end up having to replace many more as I looked at the set more closely over time.

Where do others draw the line on this type of purchase?

[seanofjapan]

I usually give a bit of leeway on condition descriptions for big lots or partial sets and figure that so long as they haven't exaggerated it too much I'll let it pass. But getting water damage on star cards on a set with a description like that would be crossing the line with me. Its the sort of thing that absolutely should be disclosed and something the seller must have known about and withheld. Return away I say!

[bnorth]

WOW, that is way past the line. For me it is a monetary value. If the price was low I will just chalk it up as a learning lesson to never deal with that person again.

I made a trade a few months ago and told the other person that his cards didn't have to have equal value. My only request was the cards I received did not have major damage. One card looked like it was folded in half with a major crease going through the players face. The other one had 6 pieces of tape on it. Guess we all have different standards. Did add another person to my never deal with again list.

Originally Posted by bnorth

WOW, that is way past the line. For me it is a monetary value. If the price was low I will just chalk it up as a learning lesson to never deal with that person again.

I made a trade a few months ago and told the other person that his cards didn't have to have equal value. My only request was the cards I received did not have major damage. One card looked like it was folded in half with a major crease going through the players face. The other one had 6 pieces of tape on it. Guess we all have different standards. Did add another person to my never deal with again list.

Even more frustrating in this case is that I went ahead and purchased the remaining 32 cards over the weekend. Now I have the 32 cards (which include Yaz, Aaron, Clemente, Ryan, Rose, Fisk, Cey, Baylor) without the set.

Damaged stars included Mays, Killebrew IA, F Robinson, Gibson, Powell, Palmer, McCovey, Aaron IA, Carlton, Bench, Jackson IA, Stargell, Seaver, B Robinson, Niekro, Carlton traded, Morgan traded.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

You got the set for a nice price. It’s all about the hi numbers. If the were damaged cards are hi you definitely don’t want it. If the his are nice it’s definitely worth keeping for the price paid.

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

You got the set for a nice price. It’s all about the hi numbers. If the were damaged cards are hi you definitely don’t want it. If the his are nice it’s definitely worth keeping for the price paid.

There was water damage in the high #s as well. I went through initially and found a little over a hundred cards with blatant water damage. As I began to sort through the set more carefully I began to realize that the damage was more extensive. I got to the eventual point where I would think I found all the damages and then discovered some more. Some cards I assumed were just faded due normal wear but eventually realized they were subjected to water as well. The set would have been very nice as all corners were sharp.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sfh24

Even more frustrating in this case is that I went ahead and purchased the remaining 32 cards over the weekend. Now I have the 32 cards (which include Yaz, Aaron, Clemente, Ryan, Rose, Fisk, Cey, Baylor) without the set.

Damaged stars included Mays, Killebrew IA, F Robinson, Gibson, Powell, Palmer, McCovey, Aaron IA, Carlton, Bench, Jackson IA, Stargell, Seaver, B Robinson, Niekro, Carlton traded, Morgan traded.

To look at the positive you either have a good start at putting a set together with your 32 cards. If you buy another set to upgrade just the few bad cards that are really in it you have some good trade bait to start out with.