Need Help with Identification of Ruth

[mdufrain]

Looking for some expert advice. I have posted before but the saga continues. This Babe Ruth came from my grandfathers estate and I got when my grandmother passed in 1987. He died in 1962. He was in his late forties. Anyway I sent this in to SGC as a possible 1929 kashan publication but it was deemed questionable a couple of years ago. Now it's obvious to me that I have picked up a real one that the kashin is much smaller and a different paper stock. I had a dealer at a show in charlotte tell me it was an old reprint as well produced prob from the era. Worth $15 to $20. Fast forward two years and I'm digging thru my standard catalog on a Sunday and I spot this. It looks the part. Measures exactly the same width and almost the same height. I'm still not convinced mine is a reprint. This is heavy like a photo which matches description as well. Please take a look. I'm fine either if it's real or not but of course I would like to think that it's legit. Hoping someone with some real knowledge here can help me out.

[pencil1974]

But it looks to be the 5x7 Kashin premium that was a photo and not printed. These used the same Kashin image but different text for the NY Americans section on the bottom right.

Have you tried putting it under a black light to see if the paper stock lights up a bright blue or a dull brown. Dull brown tells you that the paper doesn't have brighteners that were used starting in the mid-40's and more prominent in the 50's and still being used today. That is where I would start to at least get that question solved about the potential era that it was made in.

Hope this helps some. Good luck and feel free to PM me or email me at pencil1974@yahoo.com if you have any other questions.

Added- It would be good to look under a loop to. I have a 30x loop I use for work as I'm always checking specs of printing being a Creative Director for print and packaging for Fortune 100-500 Brands and have to know everything there is to know about printing process and paper stocks from around the globe, fun stuff but it helps on the this side of things just from the knowledge that I've gained doing it over 21 years now.

-Brad

[mdufrain]

thx Brad, I couldnt fnd any comps on VCP but found an example that sold in mile high in 2015. Certainly looks the part. I'll see if I can check the black light trick. Stay tuned.

[JollyElm]

On a side note, what in heck kinda shirt is that guy in the background wearing?? Looks like he's about to take the stage in some sort of light-up LED costume.

[ValKehl]

Mdufrain, I don't know if this will be of any help to you, but my R316 Kashin photo of Sam Rice measures 4-7/8" x 6-15/16". It was already slabbed by PSA when I acquired it - you may want to have a go at submitting yours to PSA.

[mdufrain]

Mine actually has the exact same measurement and the photo stock looks exactly like yours. So few that I see graded so I think off to psa Mr. Ruth goes.

[Leon]

Here is one from my first collection, no longer mine. The large scan is on purpose.
It is hard to tell from the scan if yours is good or not but I don't see anything that jumps out at me as bad. Yours could be a bit more grainy than this one but that could be the different pics of the cards. That all said SGC knows what to look for and all humans can make mistakes.