Someone stole this Clemente Rookie at auction

[WWG]

This card has recently sold for $52k, $43K & $36K, now it's going for what PSA 7's were going for last year.

https://goldinauctions.com/1955_Topp...-LOT32885.aspx

[Exhibitman]

Lots of amusing underperformers in that auction. The signed Jordan RC estimated at $7500 hammered w/vig at $4500. How about the Williams RC PSA 8 estimated $20K closed at less. The SGC 9 Ryan RC closing below estimate. Either the estimates were out of whack or the bidders stayed away, or some of both. The way I figure it, it was a combo of:

--auction fatigue
--overabundance of Clemente RCs
--possible market manipulation in the run up
--National timing
--Goldin's 'great' rep among bidders. I know at least half a dozen high grade collectors who throw his catalog right into the trash unread. I am not a high grade collector but I do the same.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Lots of amusing underperformers in that auction. The signed Jordan RC estimated at $7500 hammered w/vig at $4500. How about the Williams RC PSA 8 estimated $20K closed at less. The SGC 9 Ryan RC closing below estimate. Either the estimates were out of whack or the bidders stayed away, or some of both. The way I figure it, it was a combo of:

--auction fatigue
--overabundance of Clemente RCs
--possible market manipulation in the run up
--National timing
--Goldin's 'great' rep among bidders. I know at least half a dozen high grade collectors who throw his catalog right into the trash unread. I am not a high grade collector but I do the same.

I thought prices were strong on some other cards. I think it's mostly that prices for Clementes got way out of hand for a while.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought prices were strong on some other cards. I think it's mostly that prices for Clementes got way out of hand for a while.

+1....Clemente got crazy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by WWG

This card has recently sold for $52k, $43K & $36K, now it's going for what PSA 7's were going for last year.

https://goldinauctions.com/1955_Topp...-LOT32885.aspx

How much are PSA 7s going for now...

[rats60]

Originally Posted by WWG

This card has recently sold for $52k, $43K & $36K, now it's going for what PSA 7's were going for last year.

https://goldinauctions.com/1955_Topp...-LOT32885.aspx

That card is pretty far off centered.

[hangman62]

" pretty far " off center ????

[WWG]

This shows how much the market was manipulated last year. A PSA 8 for $131,450 are you kidding!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by WWG

This shows how much the market was manipulated last year. A PSA 8 for $131,450 are you kidding!

It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really cant believe that lone sale.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really cant believe that lone sale.

+1 Just because it's on VCP doesn't mean it closed. They are just grabbing data from the internet with no reconciliation of payment.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by rats60

That card is pretty far off centered.

L/R is what..65/35. not bad. I've seen a lot worse. it's a nice looking card. If it got dinged for that centering, that would be a market swing.

I think we can assume a couple things:

• The auction wasn't shilled
• There was no reserve
• the buyers who bought from the buyers group are now selling

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

L/R is what..65/35. not bad. I've seen a lot worse. it's a nice looking card. If it got dinged for that centering, that would be a market swing.

I think we can assume a couple things:

• The auction wasn't shilled
• There was no reserve
• the buyers who bought from the buyers group are now selling

It is worse than 2 to 1. More like 70/30 or the worst centering possible for the grade. I haven't seen a worse centered 8 sell over the last 2-3 years. I am not surprised it sold for less than any other recent sales.

[Empty77]

not just the centering, but the quality overall is down on that card. the registration is off and it has an unpleasant yellow halo sort of effect on the left edge as well as the right side of the bust image and the full body inset.