Rocky Colavito: Stick it up their ***

[KMayUSA6060]

Great read. These high-and-mighty HoF committees are awful for the Hall. Someone is either Hall of Fame worthy or they aren't. I'm sick of these "tribute" inductions after someone passes.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news...i13j9d9q83m6b7

[bravos4evr]

Colavito was a good player, but not a HOF'er. He only had 4 what you'd call "HOF'er type seasons" and his career declined so fast that it hurts him with both the counting stat and metrics people.


But, as far as the entire issue of the HOF voting system, they culd solve these logjam problems by allowing a "yes/no" vote on all eligible players rather than the stupid "you can only pick 10" system they use now. THIS is why guys don't get in 100% and is also why it gets dragged out for so long.

Let's say you are a big Vlad Guerrero fan and you want to make sure he doesn't drop off the ballot, so you end up having to sacrifice your Chipper Jones vote to ensure that Vlad gets a higher %. You didn't vote for a first ballot guy, which makes you look bad, but you did it because you KNOW that guy is getting in, and you don't want to have another guy you think deserves a longer look, falling off. That's a dumb position for a voter to find himself in. If they got to votefor every eligible player "yes or no" then we'd have maybe one huge HOF class, and then it would settle down. (give em say 5 years on the ballot)

As far as the old players go, I think most if not all the deserving one's are in. (and a lot who probably didn't deserve it)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Agreed on Colavito. I mean I am sure you could find a few guys or even more who are in but deserved it less, but that can't be the yardstick. Very good player, but a clear step below the Hall IMO.

[clydepepper]

Damn Right, Rocco!!!

[RTK]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agreed on Colavito. I mean I am sure you could find a few guys or even more who are in but deserved it less, but that can't be the yardstick. Very good player, but a clear step below the Hall IMO.

I agree, it also opens the door wider to quite a few other marginal players who had truly good careers but not HOF worthy. It could lead to quite an influx of members. Something telling to me is the drop off in stats. It's unfortunate when injuries happen to what could be great players but that's life, it's bound to happen in sports. Another player I can think of in the same category as Colavito, is Bill Buckner..2800 some hits irc.

[nat]

There are lots of players who had great careers that are still short on qualifications for the hall of fame. OTOMH: Tony Oliva, Dick Allen, Bret Saberhagen, Colavito, Albert Belle, Bob Caruthers (to pick an oldie-but-goodie). Some of these guys will get through future versions of the vet's committee, just like some current hall of famers are no better than this class.*

*And lots who were inducted by the Frisch-led vet's committee were much worse.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mattingly, Baylor, Tiant, Parker, Kaat, Hodges come to my mind as more guys one level or so below.