Not to get back to Kaepernick , but

[EvilKing00]

Just read this article, thought id share a clip of it.




Giants owner-

"All my years being in the league, I never received more emotional mail from people than I did about that issue," Mara said. "If any of your players ever do that, we are never coming to another Giants game. It wasn't one or two letters. It was a lot. It's an emotional, emotional issue for a lot of people, moreso than any other issue I've run into."

[steve B]

I must say I've softened my thoughts on him a lot.

The initial sitting I thought was pretty bad.
But I read a couple articles about how he talked to another player who was a veteran, and that player suggested taking a knee was more respectful while still making the point. And he changed his approach.

Lately I've read a few things on stuff he's doing to help people, and help the causes he supports. And it's not just little donations or spending some PR time.

That's pretty impressive from a player with a very uncertain future as a football player. Most I think would back off a lot to keep the multi million a year potential. I have to respect that he doesn't seem to have changed.

Now whether he's all that good at QB, and isn't replaceable by some random kid on a rookie contract is a totally open question. I do think there's a good chance that he could come back if he had the right coach and team. So many of the talented guys who falter seem to falter because they're stuck in a situation that doesn't play well to their abilities.

Steve B

[packs]

His QBR last year was better than Cam Newton and Eli Manning's.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by packs

His QBR last year was better than Cam Newton and Eli Manning's.

He did what he could with that team I guess, but he is still injury prone and a risk to stay on the field.

[packs]

His rating was also better than:

Ryan Tannehill
Carson Wentz
Blake Bortles
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Case Keenum


Case Keenum and Ryan Fitzpatrick both signed free agent contracts this off season. They had the two worst QBR in the entire league according to ESPN. But Colin hasn't been signed.

[D. Bergin]

From a personal standpoint, I don't really care what he chooses or doesn't choose to do on the sidelines to express himself or bring light to a certain situation. There's a lot more things going on in the NFL to be concerned about then some very non-violent protest that nobody made a big deal about (including himself), until a camera caught him doing it weeks after he actually started his personal protest.

He seems like a decent enough fella to me.

BTW, this is the same sport where half the league is pretty much functionally disabled in one way or another by the time these athletes reach their 50's.

This is the same league where one player was caught on camera beating his wife unconscious in an elevator, another player was convicted or murdering his wife, and another player was convicted of murdering his friend along with who knows what else he was involved with. Another player ran a brutal dog fighting ring for years after he joined the NFL, did a couple of years in prison for it, and came back and spent several more years in the league.

This is a league that much prefers their players to manage their intense pain with highly addictive and large amounts of dangerous opioids, rather then using much safer alternatives that I don't really have to name.

This is a league in which some sort of brain trauma or disease is almost guaranteed if you play it for more then a couple years or so. In many cases the sport catches up to them before they even leave college.

I'm going to take heat for this, but I can think of a lot more things to get emotional about then repressing a conditioned display of nationalistic pride to try and make some kind of point........whether you think it's misguided or not.



On to Kaepernick the football player. I don't think he is in any way getting blackballed. He has just not been very good when he's been on the field. If teams felt like he was still a difference maker, they'd be lining up to sign him.

I used to be high on him. I thought the 49'ers were smart to get rid of Alex Smith and keep Keap to begin with. I thought Kaep had the much bigger upside. Alex Smith was a solid, reliable QB to get you to the playoffs, but was too limited to go any further then that.

Turns out, Alex Smith was also much more durable then Kaep. Injuries took their toll on him along with lack of personnel in San Francisco after Harbough left, and he's regressed as a player ever since.

[jason.1969]

The response to Kaepernick is very similar to the response to Ali 50 years earlier. My guess is that future generations will see the Giants and other teams as on the wrong side of history.

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[packs]

I agree. It is especially strange to see the Giants take that stance when their quarterback is currently being sued / investigated for defrauding people and their previous kicker was arrested for domestic violence.

[D. Bergin]

What stance have the Giants taken? The entire article wasn't posted, but all I see is commentary from the owner regarding letters he has gotten from fans.

[packs]

They said they wouldn't condone their own players protesting like Colin did because fans said they would protest the team if they did.

[KMayUSA6060]

You can't support what Kaepernick did, and then not support owners for taking the stances they are. Kaepernick used his 1st Amendment right to protest (wrong forum and a completely fraudulent issue if you ask me). The owners and fans are using their 1st Amendment rights as well. This isn't a one way street.

He also has garbage mechanics and owes his success to Harbaugh.

[Snapolit1]

Always amazes me that those who spend their lives wrapping themselves in the flag 365/24/7 are always the folks frothing at the mouth when someone uses their freedom of speech. Yeah, god forbid you exercise one of the basic American rights that people have lost their lives trying to protect. String him up.

[jason.1969]

GOAT

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[jason.1969]

Kaep is far better than any QB my Rams have had since Warner/Green. Probably better than the starters on 8-10 teams and definitely better than the #2s on 25+ teams.

Due to contract issues and commitments to work young QBs (e.g., Goff) into better ones, it makes sense to me that many of these teams would stick with who they have.

But ultimately, any team that employs rapists, wife/child abusers, animal torturers, etc., deserves all available ridicule when avoiding Kaep out of concern for his activism.

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[clydepepper]

Assuming that the team owners are the dictators of this non-signing, it is IMO the very height of hypocrisy that they continue to sign players with documented domestic abuse episodes just because, supposedly, they may help the team win i.e. Joe Mixon, Greg Hardy - though Ray Rice has certainly been dealt with appropriately IMO.

[KMayUSA6060]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/1...astile-verdict

... And he continues the divisiveness.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/1...astile-verdict

... And he continues the divisiveness.

http://www.snopes.com/the-origins-of...united-states/

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

http://www.snopes.com/the-origins-of...united-states/

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The issue is not whether or not that modern day law enforcement evolved out of slave patrols. The issue is that he did in fact tweet the photo and he continues to be divisive. That's why he's out of a job...not because a lack of his abilities.

[jason.1969]

As the 2016 election showed, America has nothing against divisive statements as long as they're made by a white guy.

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

As the 2016 election showed, America has nothing against divisive statements as long as they're made by a white guy.

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Tell that to Curt Schilling.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Tell that to Curt Schilling.

And Mike Ditka.

Which actually brings up an interesting comparison. For all of you complaining that Kaep is being punished for exercising his Freedom of Speech, why aren't you out campaigning for Schilling or Ditka to get their jobs back at ESPN? They were each fired by ESPN for exercising their Freedom of Speech.

[packs]

I think you're reaching when you compare Kaepernick to Curt Schilling. What could they possibly have in common? Schilling denies that racism exists in a city where Tom Yawkey was forced to allow an African American player to play....in 1959. What is your common thread between them other than they're two people who said things?

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by packs

I think you're reaching when you compare Kaepernick to Curt Schilling. What could they possibly have in common? Schilling denies that racism exists in a city where Tom Yawkey was forced to allow an African American player to play....in 1959. What is your common thread between them other than they're two people who said things?

Schilling was/is very outspoken about his disgust with Obama. That's why he was fired - he went against ESPN's leftist ideals.

Edit: Well, it was that, and his comments about Islam/Conservative views in general.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

As the 2016 election showed, America has nothing against divisive statements as long as they're made by a white guy.

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Can you give one example of someone in MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, or whatever they call the Soccer league, who said something as divisive as Kaep since Cheeto J*s*s was elected, but was unscathed strictly because of their white privilege?

[packs]

Luke Scott

[Cliff Bowman]

Do you know how to shut Kaepernick up? Ask him to name just one of the hundreds of young black males murdered by another young black male last year. He couldn't name one if his life depended on it.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Do you know how to shut Kaepernick up? Ask him to name just one of the hundreds of young black males murdered by another young black male last year. He couldn't name one if his life depended on it.

So you're saying people committing crimes on one another is the same thing as institutionalized racism? It's ok for white cops to treat black suspects differently because black people at times kill other black people? What is the point you're trying to make?