How do you see the market 10yrs from now

[maximus35]

I took about an 8 yr break from collecting and just started back last summer. I was shocked to see how much the market has changed. I am especially surprised on how much some PSA 9s have sky rocketed on rookies such as Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas and even Lew Alcindor. Does this mean starting investing in PSA 8.5s? It seems like pre war is becoming more popular but in mid to high grade. Vintage high grade has sky rocketed as well.

I wanted some opinions on which cards you guys believe will be worth the most in 10 yrs. Assuming all these cards are the same price right now $30-40k range:


51 bowman mantle PSA 6.5
52 topps mantle PSA 4
33 goudey Ruth #144/#149 PSA 7
68 topps Nolan Ryan PSA 9
55 topps Clemente PSA 8
54 topps Aaron PSA 8
55 topps Koufax PSA 8.5
79 OPC Gretzky PSA 9

Which ones would be at the top of your list?

[mintacular]

Not sure you've noticed, but last year seemed to be an exception with cards sky-rocketing prices of high grade rookies, etc., but now those prices are falling back to earth. In general, the idea of "investing" in cardboard is still a very risky proposition. The iconic cards like '52 Mantle etc are relatively safe if authenticated, etc.

[irv]

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by irv

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

[irv]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

Surprisingly, not a lot of bid retractions with the current lot of bidders.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

[ALR-bishop]

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

That makes 2 of us Al-R. I do believe there is price manipulation with some sellers - but I also agree with Peter that the bidding history in PWCC auctions does not particularly follow that of other auctions. They have a good following and many buyers will pay a premium for the service that they provide.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

You should sign in and check recent prices before you make an accusation like that. 150k would be a place holder bid on that card. Recent sales range from 310k to almost 500k.

[irv]

Originally Posted by irv

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Any thoughts on the above posted links and how they finished?

Is the Mays higher/lower than previous sales, is the Runnels a new high, and what's everyone's thoughts on how the Mantle finished?

Personally, I don't recall seeing some of the prices that were realized with some of lowered numbered 52 Topps cards, but maybe I haven't been around long enough?

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by irv

Any thoughts on the above posted links and how they finished?

Is the Mays higher/lower than previous sales, is the Runnels a new high, and what's everyone's thoughts on how the Mantle finished?

Personally, I don't recall seeing some of the prices that were realized with some of lowered numbered 52 Topps cards, but maybe I haven't been around long enough?

The Mays sold for $235K, about $100k under the average. This same card/same cert, was bought on Heritage for $382K seven months ago. Ouch, someone took it on the chin here. Although at Heritage it's entirely legal to shill and retract bids, so I would personally never use their sales data.

In full disclosure, I love this card. Possibly my favorite card of all time, with his '53 a close second.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

The Mays sold for $235K, about $100k under the average. This same card/same cert, was bought on Heritage for $382K seven months ago. Ouch, someone took it on the chin here. Although at Heritage it's entirely legal to shill and retract bids, so I would personally never use their sales data.

In full disclosure, I love this card. Possibly my favorite card of all time, with his '53 a close second.

Without making it to your, "About seven months ago" part, I was thinking, I bet this card sold last summer.

Hopefully the $147,000, that the previous owner lost, is like pocket change to him?
I was thinking and wondering how the $80,000 Koufax, that sold last year was doing, then I found a PSA 9 that sold at Heritage for $215,000 with the BP. Never heard about that one? I believe there are now 3 PSA 10's on the market, but maybe that number has already changed?