T212 Obaks

[jchcollins]

So, I've decided I'm collecting these cards - starting with the 3rd issue from 1911. (Somewhat hasty decision, though I did sleep on it...I need some pre-war variety in my life). As I'm sure there are a ton and I just haven't found them, can you guys share any information - websites, old threads, other? on the T212's?

I know that 1909 are the rarer ones, and beyond that there is some debate about Northwestern League players being rarer, and different back types being rarer in the 1910 and 1911 sets. I saw where Bob Lemke's blog has a bunch of cool information both on these cards -and the obscure and now long-gone players who adorned them.

Thanks,
-John

[VoodooChild]

I decided to collect T212's a year or so ago as well. Most of the information I found easily by doing a google search which will also return results for older Net54 threads.

It seems like you are doing it correctly by having a focus as you stated you are starting with the 1911's. They are different in that they have a bio (albeit generic) on the back like T205's. You might want to narrow your focus with the 1911's a little by concentrating on a certain team or teams at first to make it more challenging.

While doing my research, I found that the PCL has a Hall of Fame. So, I decided to collect T212's from all three years of players that are in the PCL HOF - Walt McCredie, Pop Dillion, Hap Hogan, etc. Other than that, I'm trying to put together a 1910 back run. I think I need 7 or so more.

In my limited experience (and I am no expert), the 1909's are tough and the ones without the frame are even tougher. The 175 series 1910's are the most common but a few of the back slogans are very tough and the 150 series may even be more rare than the 1909's. The 1911's are my least favorite so I do not have much info on them.

Good Luck with your endeavor!

- Jason

[jchcollins]

Thanks Jason. I've never done a lot of pre-war in the past, so this should be interesting.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

So, I've decided I'm collecting these cards - starting with the 3rd issue from 1911. (Somewhat hasty decision, though I did sleep on it...I need some pre-war variety in my life). As I'm sure there are a ton and I just haven't found them, can you guys share any information - websites, old threads, other? on the T212's?

I know that 1909 are the rarer ones, and beyond that there is some debate about Northwestern League players being rarer, and different back types being rarer in the 1910 and 1911 sets. I saw where Bob Lemke's blog has a bunch of cool information both on these cards -and the obscure and now long-gone players who adorned them.

Thanks,
-John

John, our collecting sounds similar. I am also primarily a postwar guy but get the itch to at least dabble in prewar. A couple of times I have purchased a few T206s but then abandoned. But I can't say I don't like the 206s because I still do. The t212s, among other similar issues, is a direction I have looked at a little. The same with the 210s. Good luck!

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[Jobu]

I don't have many T212 but I think a lot of them are stunning cards. There are also some fun errors to be found.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

In looking at Old Cardboard, the T212-2 with its 35 back variations/slogans might be fun to collect. Has anyone gotten deep into that? Unfortunately, in doing an ebay search, only Dean's and a seller called gasolinealleyantiques are about the only sellers offering them.

[Leon]

Many years ago I picked up an original collection from the west coast. It had hundreds of Obaks. In them were an almost complete back variations set of T212-2. It's a fun subset with a few sleepers which are quite tough. My only Obak as of now....

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

In looking at Old Cardboard, the T212-2 with its 35 back variations/slogans might be fun to collect. Has anyone gotten deep into that? Unfortunately, in doing an ebay search, only Dean's and a seller called gasolinealleyantiques are about the only sellers offering them.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Leon

Many years ago I picked up an original collection from the west coast. It had hundreds of Obaks. In them were an almost complete back variations set of T212-2. It's a fun subset with a few sleepers which are quite tough. My only Obak as of now....

Very cool!


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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Leon

Many years ago I picked up an original collection from the west coast. It had hundreds of Obaks. In them were an almost complete back variations set of T212-2. It's a fun subset with a few sleepers which are quite tough. My only Obak as of now....

I found an eBay seller less than a hundred miles away from me that had a few. My first - a 1911 Krueger - is on the way.


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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I don't have many T212 but I think a lot of them are stunning cards. There are also some fun errors to be found.

You Bet Bryan!
A few Years ago I was deciding oN a Set ta Collect...
At Heart I am a "Type Card" Collector!
Well, my chose came down to T212's ,T200's & E90-1's!?
In the end I decided ta go wit the E90-1's...
And THuS Sell THiS Brilliant Ghost to help my Beginins to my E90-1 efforts...

Good Luck in Your T212 Efforts John..."Truly"!!!

[NC-Vintage]

I recently acquired a complete set of these with many different back variations, condition ranges from poor to Vg/Ex, many of the lower grade cards display very well but have some level of back damage. I am deciding between selling it as a complete set or breaking it up. If interested send me a PM. If this should have been posted in the BST and needs to be moved I apologize.

[deadballera]

there are several Obak collectors on this board. This is a fun group with some nice looking cards. I have almost the 1910 set complete and over half of the 1911 set. Good luck

few key cards from the 1911 set - Buck Weaver and Ten Million. I don't have the Weaver yet.

[T206Collector]

One of my favorite cards in my collection...

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

These are attractive cards. What about availability and supply? I ask because in searching for some on ebay, it is the same tired sellers with their overpriced BINs card after card...

[Leon]

They are around, especially the 1910s and 1911s. The 1909s are more scarce and take more time. This seems to be a big issue concerning pre-war vs post war. If it were a post war card/set you could probably find 5 of each on the bay right now. Not so much on the pre-war. Pre-war is a marathon, not a sprint. Obak sets are doable.....Auction houses are where most are found, I would say. Our BST has some many times too.

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

These are attractive cards. What about availability and supply? I ask because in searching for some on ebay, it is the same tired sellers with their overpriced BINs card after card...

[jchcollins]

Well, here she is - my first Obak, arrived today. Art Kruger (from my research they misspelled his name on the card...) played for the Portland Beavers in the PCL, but also the Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Naps, Boston Braves, and KC Packers in the majors. He died in 1949 in Hondo, California.

Part of what I think I'm going to love about these cards - nobody really is a star. I mean in their day and context certainly some were, but nobody was a household name, and virtually none are remembered today other than the two black Sox, Gandil and Weaver. Part of what I get sick of in trying to accumulate other things is my diversion by star power. Nice with this set just to enjoy the cards as miniature works of art and representative pieces of the times and leagues they came from.




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