71 O-Pee-Chee mailday question

[bswhiten]

This is the back corner of a PSA 8 pop 2 one higher (the #1 71 OPC psa registry collector has the other 8 and the single 10) Hrabosky #594 71 OPC that I just purchased for $320. The seller didn't show a pic of the back or disclose there is clearly a bent corner.

I have requested a return but the seller doesn't accept returns. Will eBay honor the return in a situation like this?

This was the description:
"1971 OPC Hrabosky rookie graded PSA 8. This is a great card with sharp corners and no creases, marks or stains. It has great color, focus and gloss and the back is clean."

I hate sending it back because I wanted the 8, but my 7 doesn't have a bent corner. PSA doesn't allow this on OPC 8's right? Or am I missing something...Thanks

[savedfrommyspokes]

How did you request a return....just as a regular return or as item not as described?
Through ebay, ANY seller has to take an item back that is not as described (NAD). So if you open a case for the card being NAD, and very specifically mention that the seller's description states the corners are "sharp", which one is clearly not, he will be obligated to accept the return, at his cost. Include a picture of this corner ding also. The seller will not be able to dispute this as being a case of buyer's remorse as you can clearly dispute his claim regarding the corners in the description.

My guess is something happened when the card was being encapsulated, either way, the seller should have disclosed this.

[Bcwcardz]

Now you know why he didn't scan the back. That's a little deceptive. I'm sure the seller will say he didn't know (which I doubt) and the card is graded. Most likely you will get the " that's how they graded it, bent corner and all" . A reputable seller would refund you but I don't know and I wish you luck.

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[bswhiten]

I'm hoping the seller doesn't give me grief, but yes I filed it as not as described and requested a return. I find it hard to believe that the seller didn't notice this bend... oh well. Live and learn.

[DBesse27]

Wow, bummer man. Would've been a sweet card. But you'll get your refund.

[bobsbbcards]

Seller has no choice. They can say "No returns," but they're deluding themselves.

[bswhiten]

Thanks guys. So far I haven't heard back from the seller.
Ebay said to contact them if he hasn't reached out by next Tuesday. We shall see...

[Bcwcardz]

I knew he would tell you that. He 100% knew it was there and wanted to pawn it off at full price. I just find it so shady he didn't show the corner in the pics or disclose. He knew he couldn't sell it if he did. I'd be really pissed on this one. He's just the stereotypical card dealer.

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[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

I knew he would tell you that. He 100% knew it was there and wanted to pawn it off at full price. I just find it so shady he didn't show the corner in the pics or disclose. He knew he couldn't sell it if he did. I'd be really pissed on this one. He's just the stereotypical card dealer.

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Yea I was hoping he would be a reputable seller, but looks like I will have to get eBay to force the issue. Live and learn...

[bswhiten]

PSA is buying the card back. How about that...wow. I never thought that would happen.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

PSA is buying the card back. How about that...wow. I never thought that would happen.

Did you contact PSA because ebay would not allow you to return the item or because it was less hassle to have PSA just buy the card back?

[buymycards]

So, what is the eBay username of the seller you bought it from?

So now you have an altered card in a PSA 8 holder, and you are going to sell it? Are going to disclose that the card is altered? If not, that makes you just as big of a crook as the person you bought it from. Not to mention that PSA shouldn't be in the business of altering cards.

This is wrong on so many levels that I can't believe this is happening.

[Bcwcardz]

That is a shocker. Glad you got it made right.

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[bswhiten]

Well originally I was told PSA wanted to buy the card back, but just found out that after they reviewed the card that they were able to "fix" the bend in the back corner, reholdered the card, and will be mailing the slabbed PSA 8 card back to me. I'll post a pic once I have it in hand.

[autograf]

spooned it down, did they? wow. just wow.

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Well originally I was told PSA wanted to buy the card back, but just found out that after they reviewed the card that they were able to "fix" the bend in the back corner, reholdered the card, and will be mailing the slabbed PSA 8 card back to me. I'll post a pic once I have it in hand.

Um.....what?

[bswhiten]

And somehow the pop report now reads pop 1 (psa 8) instead of pop 2.

[toppcat]

"fix"?

[swarmee]

I would escalate this up the chain with their management. That is inappropriate and deceptive, and they should not be party to it.

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I would escalate this up the chain with their management. That is inappropriate and deceptive, and they should not be party to it.

+1. Ask to speak to Veronica.

[mattjc1983]

Well, never paid to have a card graded, and finding out that PSA, a company IN THE BUSINESS of determining if a card is altered, just admitted to altering a card...pretty much eliminates any chance that I ever will.


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[Stonepony]

How this is not the most controversial and talked about post of the year is beyond me. PSA received a damaged card and altered ( repaired) it so it would have the appearance of a high grade. Is this being swept under the rug? Crazy

[Eric72]

Did they receive it damaged or are they the ones that caused the damage?

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Did they receive it damaged or are they the ones that caused the damage?

It sounds like ( from the OP). They received a nice card- which they graded an 8. OP received the card in holder from them with a bent corner. He sent it back to PSA and they " fixed" it and placed in back in a 8 holder

[JollyElm]

You bring a masterpiece watercolor to Sotheby's for auction. As an employee is preparing the painting for display and sale, she spills her pumpkin spice latte on the painting and smears an area of the pigment. Whoops. She breaks out a beginning watercolor set she picked up at K-Mart and 'fixes' the problem. Is that okay??????

[Eric72]

Bumping this to the top because I believe this is a serious issue that should be discussed at length. PSA is, "fixing" cards. How does this not warrant serious discussion?

[Stonepony]

+1, where are the veteran members?

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Bumping this to the top because I believe this is a serious issue that should be discussed at length. PSA is, "fixing" cards. How does this not warrant serious discussion?

Agreed. Somebody needs to show this thread to Joe Orlando and demand an explanation.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

How this is not the most controversial and talked about post of the year is beyond me. PSA received a damaged card and altered ( repaired) it so it would have the appearance of a high grade. Is this being swept under the rug? Crazy

Originally Posted by Eric72

Bumping this to the top because I believe this is a serious issue that should be discussed at length. PSA is, "fixing" cards. How does this not warrant serious discussion?

Originally Posted by Stonepony

+1, where are the veteran members?

It is surprising this isn't being discussed any further, but at the same time, I understand those who have many PSA high end graded cards, would likely like this to just disappear?

[bswhiten]

I emailed the top brass at PSA last Monday. Haven't heard back yet...

[Rookiemonster]

The pic of the corner looks like two different cards to me . I can't believe something like this but now you gotta ask how many times has this happened .