Jsa and psa/dna

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

So I just spent about the last 8 hours reading article after article on PSA/DNA and JSA mistakes as well as articles from ESPN and 20/20 that 80% of autographs sold in USA are forgeries. HOW can anyone buy signatures now and be confident they are real regardless of a COA etc. Are there any guys out there that are good that don't have these HUGE companies but have great reputations?

Thanks

[egri]

Buying from trustworthy sellers is a good starting point. The sellers you see on our BST threads are trustworthy, as are the other members that I've bought from in the past. Every now and then there's a knucklehead (Mr. Bartiromo, we await the activation of your stealth accounts that will "spam the hell out of the boards") but as a rule, they're good guys. Also, developing your own eye to tell what is good and what is forged will help give you peace of mind. I'm trying to do that as I build my project; it takes time, and it's a WIP, but it's getting there. Hope this helps.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by egri

Buying from trustworthy sellers is a good starting point. The sellers you see on our BST threads are trustworthy, as are the other members that I've bought from in the past. Every now and then there's a knucklehead (Mr. Bartiromo, we await the activation of your stealth accounts that will "spam the hell out of the boards") but as a rule, they're good guys. Also, developing your own eye to tell what is good and what is forged will help give you peace of mind. I'm trying to do that as I build my project; it takes time, and it's a WIP, but it's getting there. Hope this helps.

Thanks a lot. Good Luck

[mighty bombjack]

Those two alphabet companies rule out blatant fakes and are right most of the time, but they make plenty of mistakes as well, some very high profile. Think of them more as marketing tools than authenticators, good for some level of peace of mind but more valuable for resale value IMO.

As has been said here many times, research is a big part of this and should be enjoyable (i.e., part of the hobby beyond owning pieces of history). If what you read about the alphabets disturbs you and you are looking for absolute certainty, I would seek a different hobby.

[mighty bombjack]

And remember this: when it comes to autographs of long deceased people, all we have are opinions and opinions of those giving opinions. You have to research the items but also know who is judging authenticity and for what purpose. Reading certain websites that pick apart the alphabets (coughcoughhaulsofshamecough) can be fascinating and great education, but even those websites are agenda driven and aren't right 100% of the time (especially when, like the alphabets themselves, they aren't naming the authenticators who may have deemed an autograph 'bad'; like many in this hobby, they may be going with the expert who's telling them what they want to hear).

[hawaiian bam bam]

i think we are getting to apoint in this hobby where we will have just two options, either get it ourselves in person or buy factory certified pack pulled autographs. (if that is an option for what you collect)

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by hawaiian bam bam

i think we are getting to apoint in this hobby where we will have just two options, either get it ourselves in person or buy factory certified pack pulled autographs. (if that is an option for what you collect)

Again, if absolute certainty is what you want, than these are good alternatives (and even a few pack-pulled cards have been called into question)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Those two alphabet companies rule out blatant fakes and are right most of the time, but they make plenty of mistakes as well, some very high profile. Think of them more as marketing tools than authenticators, good for some level of peace of mind but more valuable for resale value IMO.

As has been said here many times, research is a big part of this and should be enjoyable (i.e., part of the hobby beyond owning pieces of history). If what you read about the alphabets disturbs you and you are looking for absolute certainty, I would seek a different hobby.

Bingo in all respects. I finally sent a link to PSA for a 'quick opinion', just so that I would have that when I re-sold the item. Unfortunately the link did not work - they refunded my money, then ignored me when I sent another link. That was my only experience sending anything to a TPA.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by egri

Buying from trustworthy sellers is a good starting point. The sellers you see on our BST threads are trustworthy, as are the other members that I've bought from in the past. Every now and then there's a knucklehead (Mr. Bartiromo, we await the activation of your stealth accounts that will "spam the hell out of the boards") but as a rule, they're good guys. Also, developing your own eye to tell what is good and what is forged will help give you peace of mind. I'm trying to do that as I build my project; it takes time, and it's a WIP, but it's getting there. Hope this helps.

With all due respect, just trusting the sellers on Net54 BST is not the answer to this guy's question, any more than just trusting a JSA or PSA cert.

Your last point regarding educating yourself, is the answer. If you don't have an eye for autographs (it's okay to lack aptitude in this area - I can't do brain surgery) then you have to pick a very, very select few sellers to purchase from. Luckily, all of the ones I would lump in that category sell here on Net54...along with the knuckleheads you alluded to.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

So I just spent about the last 8 hours reading article after article on PSA/DNA and JSA mistakes as well as articles from ESPN and 20/20 that 80% of autographs sold in USA are forgeries. HOW can anyone buy signatures now and be confident they are real regardless of a COA etc. Are there any guys out there that are good that don't have these HUGE companies but have great reputations?

Thanks

Do your own homework.

[hawaiian bam bam]

its funny with all the knowledge on this board, no one knows why blue sharpie turns grayish purple. come on guys!!!!!!!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Quit hijacking a thread brah

[hawaiian bam bam]

LOL! Answer the question brah!

[egri]

You've asked this question several times already, and gotten the same responses each time. The Net54 well is dry/dead horse is beaten/whatever other analogy you can think of. At this point, I'd suggest emailing one of the chemistry professors at your local college and getting their opinion. For sure, they would know.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by hawaiian bam bam

its funny with all the knowledge on this board, no one knows why blue sharpie turns grayish purple. come on guys!!!!!!!

It's because there is no such thing as "permanent" or "archival" marker. Well, technically it's because of science. They are all alcohol and aniline dyes. Dyes will fade. You can put your signed item in a box away from the light, put that box in box, and put that box in a box. It will still fade... one day. Blue turns to purple, black to brown, it's just how color works. There is a reason artists don't use sharpies or staedtlers, because one of the purposes of the majority of art is to last. The only exception to that rule is true India ink. Also there is this: https://www.google.com

[Ryan1125]

Originally Posted by hawaiian bam bam

its funny with all the knowledge on this board, no one knows why blue sharpie turns grayish purple. come on guys!!!!!!!

How about starting a new thread with your question in the title instead of burying it on page 3 of a thread that is a completely different topic? Or google it? Sheesh.