t213 question

[esd10]

does anyone know if the t213 where made from the same printing plates as the t206?

[ullmandds]

i don't think this information is known...I'd suppose it was possible for maybe type 1 and or 2...but not type 3.

[steve B]

I would have to say no on the type 2 and 3 for sure, and maybe for the type 1but probably not.

I'd have to take a close look at a few type 1s alongside the same subjects from T206 to be sure. And I believe that most T206 subjects were printed from at least 2-3 different sets of plates.

Steve B

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by steve B

I would have to say no on the type 2 and 3 for sure, and maybe for the type 1but probably not.

I'd have to take a close look at a few type 1s alongside the same subjects from T206 to be sure. And I believe that most T206 subjects were printed from at least 2-3 different sets of plates.

Steve B

Probably more than that... Wouldn't each Factory have its own plates?

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Probably more than that... Wouldn't each Factory have its own plates?

I thought the factory numbers referred to where the cards were sent to be packaged with cigarettes, not where they were printed.

[Bocabirdman]

You may be right......... I am old but I wasn't there......

[steve B]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

I thought the factory numbers referred to where the cards were sent to be packaged with cigarettes, not where they were printed.

Yes, the factory numbers are the packing plant, not where they were printed.

Steve B

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by steve B

I would have to say no on the type 2 and 3 for sure, and maybe for the type 1but probably not.

I'd have to take a close look at a few type 1s alongside the same subjects from T206 to be sure. And I believe that most T206 subjects were printed from at least 2-3 different sets of plates.

Steve B

I agree with Steve on the fact that there were more than one set of plates
used on most T206 subjects. I also think they may have been printed in a few different ALC facilities ( they owned several large printing plants during this time frame) which would have used different plates and possibly different sheet layouts and some swapping of subjects at each facility which could account for some of the short prints and other nuances in the set.

I know a lot of people like to poke fun at us "crazy" T206 guys with the stray
marks, print defects ect... but they could be the answer to FAQ's like this.
If someone finds a T213 with a print defect or odd mark like the one found
on several T206 McBrides who is also a T213-1 subject then you would have the answer to this question.

[tedzan]

Here is my concept of an early 350 series print run (circa Spring 1910) of T206's. There is a good likelihood that this same pre-printed (fronts) sheet
was used by American Litho to also produce the 48 - Major League subjects of the 1910 COUPON set.








TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here is my concept of an early 350 series print run (circa Spring 1910) of T206's. There is a good likelihood that this same pre-printed (fronts) sheet
was used by American Litho to also produce the 48 - Major League subjects of the 1910 COUPON set.








TED Z
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It's possible Ted, but somewhere along the line the sheet layouts would of had
to have been changed based on the known two name cards in the 350 series. There are several 350 two name T206's that have a T213-1 subject and a non T213-1 subject.

Chase (blue portrait) - Zimmerman
Engle - Phillippe
Jackson - Hoffman (Danny)
Chance (yellow portrait) - Feine
Lennox - clancy