T206 Bates Variation?

[Laxcat]

Hi y'all. Can anyone give me some info on this card? It seems to have no red in it whatsoever. Im not sure if that has anything to do with the Hindu back. Any help would be great. Thanks.

[Luke]

The adhesive that was used on the back of the Hindu made the red fade. You see it a lot with t206 that have back damage and glue redsidue. The red fades first.

[Laxcat]

Thanks man. I have had it forever and gave never before gotten a straight answer on it.

[wazoo]

Looks like the red was never there in the first place. But I'm no expert.

[Luke]

It's also possible that Wazoo is right. I've just seen so many cards missing the red that also have glue residue on the back, that I assume the glue removed it.

Another thing that I didn't think of initially is that red backgrounds came out looking differently on Hindus than the other 150 series print runs. A lot of the red background cards like Chance and Elberfeld came out looking orange. So, actually your red was probably pretty faint on the Bates to begin with.

I'm including my Chance Hindu to show what I'm talking about.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

It's also possible that Wazoo is right. I've just seen so many cards missing the red that also have glue residue on the back, that I assume the glue removed it.

Another thing that I didn't think of initially is that red backgrounds came out looking differently on Hindus than the other 150 series print runs. A lot of the red background cards like Chance and Elberfeld came out looking orange. So, actually your red was probably pretty faint on the Bates to begin with.

I'm including my Chance Hindu to show what I'm talking about.

I think that I was the underbidder on that Chance. I'm glad you got it. You need it for your Hindu HOF set, much more than I need it.
Here's another example of a Hindu missing the red pass:


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[Sean]

I can't be sure about the Bates card, but I don't think it got the red pass.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by wazoo

Looks like the red was never there in the first place. But I'm no expert.

+1

No way that's just normal fading.

Also, I have minimal knowledge of the t206 set, but how much of a variation is there in the space between the player's name and bottom black border? There is a large difference between the two.

[z28jd]

There can be differences in where the name is to the point I've seen it inside the photo on a couple occasions. I'll try to find the scan I have of three Carrigan cards, all Polar Bear backs and all three have the name in different places

Originally Posted by jhs5120

+1

No way that's just normal fading.

Also, I have minimal knowledge of the t206 set, but how much of a variation is there in the space between the player's name and bottom black border? There is a large difference between the two.

[z28jd]

Here are the Carrigan cards. As you can see, the caption is in three different spots

[Luke]

I could definitely be wrong. Ultimately perception will be reality and people would bid on this according to their theory of what happened to the red. Here is another Bates Hindu for comparison. The red is pretty faint, and could fade rather easily in my opinion.

[JohnP0621]

It looks like the card is missing the Red Color Pass. Does not look like the ones that The Glue Faded the Red. No signs of Red anywhere. Look at the Collar on his Shirt.

John P