Help Identifying: Circa 1911 Cincinnati Reds Player

[Bumpus Jones]

Anyone out there know who this may be? I know this is a 1911 Reds uni, but it could have been taken a few years later due to the fact its a spring training shot. Thanks.

Don Stokes ?

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Anyone out there know who this may be? I know this is a 1911 Reds uni, but it could have been taken a few years later due to the fact its a spring training shot.

It resembles Armando Marsans, who joined the Reds in 1911.

[Bumpus Jones]

It appears you may be correct :^)

[tnfoto]

It is not Marsans. Here he is in 1913 and 1916, respectively. Note the left (viewer's right) ear, nose shape and lips, among other distinguishing characteristics.

[khkco4bls]

I agree

[steve B]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

It is not Marsans. Here he is in 1913 and 1916, respectively. Note the left (viewer's right) ear, nose shape and lips, among other distinguishing characteristics.

One of the things that always gets me is how much difference there can be even when the subject is known.

For instance the two pictures shown, the distance between the eyes compared to the distance between the mouth and eyes is different. I wouldn't think that's something that would change especially over only three years, but there it is.

It's a good thing I don't have to rely on my abilities in this field. I'd probably starve.

Steve B

[bmarlowe1]

Jim Bagby

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by steve B

One of the things that always gets me is how much difference there can be even when the subject is known.

For instance the two pictures shown, the distance between the eyes compared to the distance between the mouth and eyes is different. I wouldn't think that's something that would change especially over only three years, but there it is.
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Steve B

Steve - I don't agree. These dimensions would not change, and the photos do not indicate that they have.

Keeping in mind that only approximate measurement comparison is possible, you first have to get the relative scale right. In this case you have to consider that the face on the left is turned a bit to his left and also tilted forward compared to the face in the photo on the right, which is of poor quality. I've matched the distance from eyes (approximating where the pupils should be) to the base of the nose. This is as I said approximate. This is better than matching the distance from eyes to mouths because mouths can move.

Note that the two light blue lines are the exactly the same size. You can use them to compare the respective distances across the foreheads - they are very close. Similarly the 2 yellow lines are exactly the same size - they indicate that the respective distances between the irises are also pretty close.

Lastly, for the face on the right the bottom of the chin is a little lower, but it's easy enough to open one's jaws somewhat while keeping the mouth closed.