I'm probably just an idiot but... fakes

[Mountaineer1999]

I think I will just get out of the hobby. Too many crooks and I am apparently not smart enough to protect myself. I put a bid on a 1948 Bowman Kiner and to my surprise I won it for $20 bucks. The problem, the cards are fake. Just a little research would have saved me but to me they looked legit so I just threw out a $25 bid and it never got past $20 (other people are smarter than I am). This hobby is supposed to be fun but I am finding it a challenge dealing with all the crooks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221679097101...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[CurtisFlood]

We have all been fooled at times. Don't let a bad apple spoil your hobby. May be better to buy at shows from people you know and can trust.

[Tabe]

Be glad you learned a $20 lesson and not a $1000 one.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Be glad you learned a $20 lesson and not a $1000 one.

+1

We all have made mistakes in this hobby. This sort of thing shouldn't push you away, but motivate you to become more familiar with fakes, reprints, etc., If it were easy, it wouldn't be worth it

[HappyJack41]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Be glad you learned a $20 lesson and not a $1000 one.

Exactly, could have been A LOT worse. You're not the first and you surely won't be the last collector to be fooled on a fake of some kind. I certainly wouldn't let a $20 mistake ruin the hobby experience. Live and learn.

[cardsfan73]

Being the cards are fake and were listed as being original 1948 Bowmans I would simply return them as Item Not As Described. You shouldn't have any problem getting your money back from ebay even if the sellers tries to make things difficult.

We have all made mistakes like this in the past, not a big deal and don't let it get you down. There are plenty of great people in this hobby and a lot of them are right here on this board. It's gotten to the point where I buy a lot more through the B/S/T/ than I do on ebay.

Good luck with your future purchases & if you are in doubt there are a ton of knowledgeable & helpful people here on this board!

Good luck with your future purchases!

Scott

[Bigb13]

Wow Mike that is really nice it just shows the thère still are nice people in the world.

[iwantitiwinit]

Also maybe consider sticking with graded cards the chance of getting a fake are much less.

[buymycards]

Did you notice that the word "reprint" was scratched off of the bottoms of these cards?

[asoriano]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Did you notice that the word "reprint" was scratched off of the bottoms of these cards?

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Did you notice that the word "reprint" was scratched off of the bottoms of these cards?

I did not. As stated before, I am an idiot. I jumped the gun and didn't study the cards. I guess I share in the blame for being so naive. I couldn't sleep at night if I thought I cheated someone, so I am probably a little more trusting than I should be.

[clydepepper]

Since the seller did not specify 'reprints', you should be able to get your money back...if not from them (doubtful) then EBAY (probable). Let me know if you need assistance with that since I've had to go that route a few times.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

I think I will just get out of the hobby. Too many crooks and I am apparently not smart enough to protect myself. I put a bid on a 1948 Bowman Kiner and to my surprise I won it for $20 bucks. The problem, the cards are fake. Just a little research would have saved me but to me they looked legit so I just threw out a $25 bid and it never got past $20 (other people are smarter than I am). This hobby is supposed to be fun but I am finding it a challenge dealing with all the crooks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221679097101...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Donnie,

This is not a loss, you learned a valuable lesson and all you need to do is file a claim with Ebay. You will get your money back even if the seller tries to scare you away from that just file the claim ASAP as product not as advertised.
By the way, they are not fake but they are clearly reprints and he did advertise them as 1948s. It is possible he did not know the difference but I doubt it.

By the way.......I'll try and make your bad lesson a great one and try to win you back. I recently bought a lot of 1955 Bowman Baseball cards on here that included a Ralph Kiner card. I am waiting for them still but as soon as I get them in, I will mail you the REAL vintage 1955 Bowman Kiner for FREE. Not for the cost of the stamp or the postage or the actual card. I will send it for FREE. No strings. Just PM your name and address and realize that there are plenty of good folks out there.

Take care,

Peace, Mike

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Donnie,

This is not a loss, you learned a valuable lesson and all you need to do is file a claim with Ebay. You will get your money back even if the seller tries to scare you away from that just file the claim ASAP as product not as advertised.
By the way, they are not fake but they are clearly reprints and he did advertise them as 1948s. It is possible he did not know the difference but I doubt it.

By the way.......I'll try and make your bad lesson a great one and try to win you back. I recently bought a lot of 1955 Bowman Baseball cards on here that included a Ralph Kiner card. I am waiting for them still but as soon as I get them in, I will mail you the REAL vintage 1955 Bowman Kiner for FREE. Not for the cost of the stamp or the postage or the actual card. I will send it for FREE. No strings. Just PM your name and address and realize that there are plenty of good folks out there.

Take care,

Peace, Mike

Mike solid move. Kudos to you sir!

[Jobu]

+1

Nice Mike! That is super solid.

I agree with the others, be happy it was a cheap, and returnable, mistake and use it for future motivation.

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Mike solid move. Kudos to you sir!

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Donnie,

This is not a loss, you learned a valuable lesson and all you need to do is file a claim with Ebay. You will get your money back even if the seller tries to scare you away from that just file the claim ASAP as product not as advertised.
By the way, they are not fake but they are clearly reprints and he did advertise them as 1948s. It is possible he did not know the difference but I doubt it.

By the way.......I'll try and make your bad lesson a great one and try to win you back. I recently bought a lot of 1955 Bowman Baseball cards on here that included a Ralph Kiner card. I am waiting for them still but as soon as I get them in, I will mail you the REAL vintage 1955 Bowman Kiner for FREE. Not for the cost of the stamp or the postage or the actual card. I will send it for FREE. No strings. Just PM your name and address and realize that there are plenty of good folks out there.

Take care,

Peace, Mike

Wow guys! Thanks for all the positive feedback! And MIKEY!!! That is an AMAZING gesture , you have totally changed my disposition tonight man!!! Just the fact that you offered means so much, Thank You!!!!!
I tell you what .... I'll take your Kiner if you let me buy it from you. The card will serve as a reminder going forward; #1 is for me to be more careful when bidding on EBAY and #2 - there are good people out there who care.

[Sophiedog]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Wow guys! Thanks for all the positive feedback! And MIKEY!!! That is an AMAZING gesture , you have totally changed my disposition tonight man!!! Just the fact that you offered means so much, Thank You!!!!!
I tell you what .... I'll take your Kiner if you let me buy it from you. The card will serve as a reminder going forward; #1 is for me to be more careful when bidding on EBAY and #2 - there are good people out there who care.

Mike and Donny....2 Class Acts....Makes the Hobby Great!

[Bestdj777]

Donnie,

Please don't let it take you away from the hobby as we have all been ripped off at some point. When I first started collecting, I bought a Starliner Decal of Mantle with a certificate of authenticity saying it was from 1967. It wasn't. It took me a couple of years to realize I was mistaken and then I was out $20.00.

What is worse, a couple years before that (pre-Paypal days), I purchased a "Rolex" from a Canadian seller for around $130 (should have been my first sign). I filed a claim with eBay and got some of my money back through their buyer protection, which wasn't as good. I think I ended up out $30-40, which was a big deal for me at the time. What's worse, a year or two later I located the seller and wrote him an email explaining how I felt ripped off and taken advantage of. He offered to refund me my money if I returned the watch. I did, and no refund. So, not only was I out the money that eBay didn't cover but was also out international shipping.

I still collect watches and cards and love both hobbies. This board, in particular, makes me appreciate the hobby so much more.

Best of luck on getting a refund and on getting your real 48 Bowman!

[egbeachley]

They were not from 1948 and, therefore, not as described. If you keep them you are doing all of us a disservice by allowing another fraudulent transaction to take place.

[Mountaineer1999]

The seller has refunded the money and apologized. Said he was unaware the cards were reprints.


Thanks for all the input.... You guys have really turned my negative experience into a pretty positive night.

[mets41]

I don't think there are as many crooks in our hobby as there are in politics.