The Scoundrel HOF

[frankbmd]

It seems to be HOF thread season so let me so bold to add "The Scoundrel HOF".

To qualify a player, manager, coach, owner or umpire must be compared to other scoundrels of their era. Statistics are definitely a secondary consideration for the selection committee. I'm looking for corkers, spitters, bribers, corruption of all types and especially felons.

Please nominate no more than three selections in your post and if possible make it three from different eras. I will keep a tally (vote count) and after 426 posts, the top ten on the list will be inducted into "The Scoundrel HOF".

I will get the ball rolling by nominating

Hal Chase
Pete Rose
Barry Bonds

The nominations will be added and updated periodically below. Currently 4 nominations qualifies for the top ten. I am not going to check for cheating and if you listed more than three, they are all counted. And we are using Chicago voting rules, vote early and vote often. Totals below through Post #120:

1 Braun, Ryan 13
2 Bonds, Barry 11
3 Rose 8
4 Clemens 8
5 Rodriguez, Alex 8
6 Cobb 6
7 Urbina 5
8 McGwire 5
9 Selig 4
10 Bergen 4
11 Anson 4
12 Chase 3
13 Sosa 3
14 Hall, Mel 3
15 Landis 3
16 Gandil 3
17 Jackson, Joe 3
18 Miller, Marvin 3
19 Chapman 2
20 Boggs 2
21 Canseco 2
22 Marichal 2
23 Powell, Jake 2
24 DiMaggio, Joe 2
25 Devlin, Jim 2
26 McLain 2
27 Howe, Steve 2
28 Curtis 2
29 Cedeno 1
30 Cepeda 1
31 Risberg 1
32 Kingman 1
33 Dykstra 1
34 Belle 1
35 Gooden 1
36 Strawberry 1
37 Thomson, Hank 1
38 Cicotte 1
39 Williams, Lefty 1
40 Comiskey 1
41 Scott, Mike 1
42 Perry, Gaylord 1
43 Speaker 1
44 Hornsby 1
45 Bradley, Milton 1
46 Mays, Carl 1
47 Burns, Bill 1
48 Palmiero 1
49 Hall, George 1
50 Tebeau, Pat 1
51 Fehr 1
52 Ramirez 1
53 Justice 1
54 Piazza 1
55 Caminiti 1
56 Machado 1
57 Niekro, Joe 1
58 Robison bros 1
59 McGraw 1
60 Hoyt, Lamarr 1
61 Nettles 1
62 Pineda 1
63 Mantle 1
64 Mays, Willie 1
65 Bouchee 1
66 Neel 1
67 Dukes 1
68 Giles, Brian 1
69 Comiskey 1
70 Puckett 1

[Vintagecatcher]

Hi Frank,

Here are my 3 for the scoundrel HOF.

Ty Cobb
Joe Jackson
Roger Clemons

Patrick

[Eric72]

Ty Cobb
Mel Hall
Ugeth Urbina

[ksabet]

My three:


Pete Rose
Ugueth Urbina
Denny Mclain

[bn2cardz]

So are they the best player that also happen to be scoundrels? Or is this the biggest scoundrel of their era?

If it is the biggest scoundrel without any care for on the field play than here are mine:

Marty Bergen

César Cedeño

Ugueth Urbina

[frankbmd]

I think we may have a closer, in more ways than one.

[Bocabirdman]

Let us nor forget Orlando Cepeda and his suitcase of weed.

[Jayworld]

Charles Risberg
Barry Bonds
Ryan Braun

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Marty Bergen

Amazingly, I had never heard the story of Marty Bergen before. What a psycho!

Hard to believe he only has one vote so far. Since we're only allowed to nominate three scoundrels, I will do the next best thing.

I second your nomination of Marty Bergen.

What he did makes PED use, throwing games, or betting on baseball seem relatively minor, by comparison.

Best regards,

Eric

[Kenny Cole]

I'll go back to the early days for some new names

Jim Devlin
George Hall
Pat Tebeau

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Amazingly, I had never heard the story of Marty Bergen before. What a psycho!

Hard to believe he only has one vote so far. Since we're only allowed to nominate three scoundrels, I will do the next best thing.

I second your nomination of Marty Bergen.

What he did makes PED use, throwing games, or betting on baseball seem relatively minor, by comparison.

Best regards,

Eric

Well I am glad I am not alone in believing slaughtering your 3 year old son, 6 year old daughter, and your spouse with an ax is a worse offense than using PEDs or being rude to fans.

[BicycleSpokes]

I nominate Bud Selig, for keeping his eyes closed during the PED era. If he had demonstrated better leadership, much of our current HOF predicaments might have been avoided altogether. He did a real disservice to the game he was supposed to be protecting, in my opinion.


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[earlywynnfan]

Trying for new names, but Anson HAS to be an inaugural member!

Cap Anson
Carl Mays
Wade Boggs

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BicycleSpokes

I nominate Bud Selig, for keeping his eyes closed during the PED era. If he had demonstrated better leadership, much of our current HOF predicaments might have been avoided altogether. He did a real disservice to the game he was supposed to be protecting, in my opinion.


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Don't forget Donald Fehr who did everything he could to block testing and keep cheaters from being exposed.

[Runscott]

It is a common misconception that mentally ill people realize they are mentally ill and are making a sane decision not to take their meds.

[baseballart]

I am very puzzled by a nomination of Marvin Miller, unless one is a fan of labour laws in 19th century England. Even so, a scoundrel?

[asoriano]

Bonds
Rodriguez
Selig

[packs]

Jake Powell, a real dirt bag.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by packs

Jake Powell, a real dirt bag.

Much more deserving, IMHO, than Ben Chapman, who was a product of his upbringing (not much of an excuse) but matured and became a much better human being as he got older. From what I've read, Powell was a SOB till the end.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by baseballart

I am very puzzled by a nomination of Marvin Miller, unless one is a fan of labour laws in 19th century England. Even so, a scoundrel?

My only complaint against Mr Miller was his apparent negative impact on the Topps 1968 set and the 1969 set, at least the first four series

[PM770]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

My only complaint against Mr Miller was his apparent negative impact on the Topps 1968 set and the 1969 set, at least the first four series

I'll admit my ignorance and/or my sarcasm meter is broken, but waht did he do to the 1968 & 69 Topps sets?

[conor912]

Originally Posted by baseballart

I am very puzzled by a nomination of Marvin Miller, unless one is a fan of labour laws in 19th century England. Even so, a scoundrel?

IMO, he changed the course of the game in a very negative way. I'm not necessarily anti-union, but at the end of the day, he's the reason why so many American families can no longer afford a day at the ballpark. Under his watch, baseball went from blue collar entertainment to white collar privilege, and took a significant amount of soul out of the game in the process. I realize if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else at some point, but Miller gets the dubious honor of holding the shit end of the stick in my mind.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by conor912

IMO, he changed the course of the game in a very negative way. I'm not necessarily anti-union, but at the end of the day, he's the reason why so many American families can no longer afford a day at the ballpark. Under his watch, baseball went from blue collar entertainment to white collar privilege, and took a significant amount of soul out of the game in the process. I realize if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else at some point, but Miller gets the dubious honor of holding the shit end of the stick in my mind.

A post of this type will be counted as a nominating vote. The vermin are beginning to rise to the top, just like the cream in those old milk bottles. Any glass milk bottle collectors out there? Remember when milk was delivered. Anybody look like their Mom's milkman? Excuse my digression. Carry on.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by conor912

IMO, he changed the course of the game in a very negative way. I'm not necessarily anti-union, but at the end of the day, he's the reason why so many American families can no longer afford a day at the ballpark. Under his watch, baseball went from blue collar entertainment to white collar privilege, and took a significant amount of soul out of the game in the process. I realize if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else at some point, but Miller gets the dubious honor of holding the shit end of the stick in my mind.

Prices for tickets to a baseball game, on average, are lower than every other major sport, and lower than the NFL average by more than half. Miller began his run almost 50 years ago, prices for everything in the world has risen exponentially in that time. What Miller did was take away the monopoly the owners had and give leverage to the men who were actually on the field earning those dollars. JMO, Miller should be in the HOF, not the HOS.

[Steve D]

Lamarr Hoyt
Graig Nettles
Michael Pineda

Steve

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Chicago voting rules, vote early and vote often

Fair enough, Frank. I was born and raised in Philadelphia, where half the graveyards cast their vote for Mayor every four years.

Jim Devlin
Chick Gandil
Barry Bonds

[eastonfalcon19]

Rose
Clemens
J.Jackson

[Runscott]

Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Joe DiMaggio

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Joe DiMaggio

Scott,

Are you stirring the pot with this post or do you think those three were truly scoundrels?

[Runscott]

I didn't want to waste my votes on Devlin, Bonds and Gandil, since those guys are shoo-ins.

[Steve D]

Actually, Mantle and Mays were banned from baseball by Peter Ueberoth in the 1980s, due to their association with an Atlantic City casino.


Steve

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I didn't want to waste my votes on Devlin, Bonds and Gandil, since those guys are shoo-ins.

Lol classic!

[glynparson]

Marty Bergen
Ed Bouchee
Ugueth Urbina

[jbhofmann]

Braun's words...

"I’ve tried to handle the entire situation with honor, with integrity, with class, with dignity and with professionalism because that’s who I am and that’s how I’ve always lived my life."

Yeah, sure.

"If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally, I’d be the first one to step up and say, ‘I did it.’ By no means am I perfect, but if I’ve ever made any mistakes in my life I’ve taken responsibility for my actions. I truly believe in my heart, and I would bet my life, that this substance never entered my body at any point."

Integrity? Lol lies.

"I want everybody to ask themselves this question: if you guys went to go get a physical, something you’ve done 20-25 other times in your life, and three weeks later and told you that you were terminally ill with a disease, and it made no sense to you. ‘I feel perfectly fine, nothing’s any different than it’s ever been, this doesn’t make any sense,’ and you look back at the process and you find out that your doctor decided to take your urine sample home for a 44-, 48-hour period, there’s no documentation as to what happened. You don’t know if he left it in the trunk of his car, you don’t know where it could have been or what could have potentially happened to it during that period of time. I can assure you that you would never go back to that doctor, and you would demand a re-test."

Synthetic testosterone isn't a terminal illness.


I realize you are a Brewers fan, but c'mon man, Braun is about as two-faced as they come.

[Piratedogcardshows]

Im going with all C's

Comiskey
Curtis
Clemens

[bnorth]

Ryan Braun Bill convinced me.
Mark McGwire
Kirby Puckett Great guy during playing days, Horrible man afterwards.