14+Rose HOFer ball

[Pickles]

A colleague was offered this ball, as is, not certified, for $1000, or $1500 with a PSA cert (card shop assumes risk)
I am only comfortable with Dimaggio, Ford, and somewhat comfortable, not there with Mantle, as those are the ones I know
Others are beyond my knowledge base
Sig I recognize (can not vouch for authenticity
Aaron
Greenberg
Ted Williams
JDMaggio
Mickey M
Mize
Kaline
Ferrell
Snyder
Rose
Gates Brown
Whitey Ford
Gehringer
Kell
Spahn
Yaz
Spahn


S I have 3 questions:
1- Thoughts on auto (real or not) for all
2- Any ideas on the signatures above Rose and 2 above Ferrell? I suspect the original collector was a Detroit Tigers fan (Gates Brown sig among HOFers) so that may be a starting point. Truly have no other clues
3- If this goes to PSA an say, all but 1,2,3 autos are genuine. Will the ball get a cert with disclaimer (liike the clubhouse) or will it get rejected? Card shop guy says if any sig is not real, ball will not get COA, hence the $500/$150 gamble he is taking..
Thanks in advance
B

[CollectiblesNJ]

I like the Kaline, Whitey Ford, Rose Joe D, Williams, Gehringer


The Mantle feels right but looks like a odd example curious to hear thoughts on this,

If offered to me I would make an offer to purchase this ball for authentication

[Lordstan]

1) I think they mostly look real, but I don't care as much for the Aaron.
2) Above Rose looks like Bill Freehan. Directly above Ferrell is Jim Northrup, but can't say for sure on the other.
3)While not 100% sure, I do think PSA will give a cert for the autos that they feel are real and document those they think aren't in the letter they provide.

Two above Ferrell - possibly John Hiller?

[bbcard1]

I hate that ball at the numbers you're talking about. Lots of badly faded autos with every possibility they will continue to fade. Of course, I am not a real auto collector, but I wouldn't touch regardless of authenticity and don't find it desirable at any price. But then again, I just spent around the same amount on a mid-grade set of 1950s baseball cards that he might easily feel the same way about. Eye of beholder.

Mantles are tough. I have known of good ones gotten in person that have come back as bad from JSA even though I know they were signed in person. Just so commonly forged it is natural for authenticators to err on the conservative side.

[earlywynnfan]

I agree with Todd! It's not my money, so really it's none of my business, but I don't think this is a $1500 ball by any means. No way it brings that from a major auction house. It has a bold Greenberg, but none of the other keys are exceptional.

Just my (usually worthless) opinion.

Ken

[Klrdds]

I am sorry but I do not see any appeal in this ball at any price. You have HOFers mixed with some lower tier players, and the signatures are fading and bleeding and will continue to do so with time. None of these players are rare or high priced signatures.
Whatever autographs you are wanting on this ball whether single signed or multi signed you can certainly wait and find better quality at a more competitive price than what this is being offered for with or without the cert.

[vthobby]

It is a $250 ball maybe on a GOOD day. UGH! To the person that got the ball, I'm sure there is more intrinsic value there but whoever would spend that kind of money on this baseball is crazy. The sigs are fine. The ball is not.

peace, mike

PS The ball is one of those crappy little league type baseballs so this was most likely a multi year experience at Cooperstown and at shows or games maybe. So once again, intrinsic value "yes", real value, a couple of hundred on a real sunny day in the spring when folks are yearning for baseball!

[gashouse34]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

I am sorry but I do not see any appeal in this ball at any price. You have HOFers mixed with some lower tier players, and the signatures are fading and bleeding and will continue to do so with time. None of these players are rare or high priced signatures.
Whatever autographs you are wanting on this ball whether single signed or multi signed you can certainly wait and find better quality at a more competitive price than what this is being offered for with or without the cert.

Totally agree...I'm surprised some of the other signatures haven't faded/bled more than they have already. I completely avoid ever buying signed balls that are of cheap quality...no matter who has signed them. No doubt the signatures on this ball are going to get worse. I'd save my money until something better came along. Never heard of shellacking/coating a cheap ball before so don't know if that is even possible without major issues? Aside from that keeping it away from direct light, extreme temperatures and oxygen exposure is all you can do to prolong its demise (at least that i'm aware of).