Yogi Berra Museum Broke into

[yanks12025]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1967277

[khkco4bls]

F*#$ ing scum bags. Rot in hell........

[Teamgluck]

Very upset about this they stole MVP trophies & all his WS rings

[ullmandds]

This is right by my parents house...they mentioned it to me yesterday. Why do these dumbasses steal things that cannot possibly be re-sold without raising attention? Crooks can be real idiots!

[jbhofmann]

Isn't there a Kreindler hanging in there?

Yogi/Larson

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This is right by my parents house...they mentioned it to me yesterday. Why do these dumbasses steal things that cannot possibly be re-sold without raising attention? Crooks can be real idiots!

I would bet a lot of money that the thieves had a ready buyer for this stuff and that some scumbag collector will bury them in his collection forever.
The thieves were not idiots.
This is just another sad chapter for the hobby.

[TimCarrollArt]

I know it happens (and has happened throughout time with priceless works of art, etc.).......

I just can't understand the rationale behind wanting these type of stolen items in your collection. You can't display them. You can't show them off. You certainly can't sell them on the open market. The only type of person that would be willing to buy them is yet another person that is willing to own the pieces for some sort of self-enjoyment. I am certainly no psychologist/psychiatrist, but there has to be a disconnect somewhere with that line of thought.

To me, something is only worth having if I can share my enjoyment from it with others. That's the beauty of museums - we all get to share the experience of seeing the items. Too sad that we are all being deprived of that opportunity......

Tim

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Teamgluck

Very upset about this they stole MVP trophies & all his WS rings

The article did not say that...it mentions that the MVP's and rings are on display there, not that they were part of what was stolen.

Any updates as to what exactly was taken?

[packs]

I'm sure if you stole something innocuous as a game used bat or jersey and waited long enough people would forget. People sell NYPL and HOF stolen items all the time and no one seems to mind.

[rjackson44]

im ten minutes away according to the ;local news they are not releasing what was taken ,,,sad story

[thebigtrain]

Evidence is pretty strong that the late Barry Halper commissioned and/or orchestrated thefts from the NYPL and Boston Libraries, and also municipal archives (Wills signed by HOF players etc). However, he mostly was in this game before these things achieved the sort of insane values that they now have. But it goes to show that wealthy uber-collectors are not above theft to augment their collections.

I agree that whoever did this was likely "hired" by a high-end collector, and if so, the stuff will vanish for years, maybe forever. Anyone smart enough to pull off a "professional" heist like this isn't dumb enough to start peddling this stuff via ebay or the major auction houses.

Another interesting thing is the comparisons to art thefts. Art is much more a "global" market than baseball memorabilia. I doubt a Saudi prince or French hedge-fund manager even knows or cares who Yogi Berra is, but of course they would know who Picasso is.

Hence, if it is a private collector who commissioned this theft, it is likely a wealthy, white, male, American, baby-boomer age person who wanted the stuff for their own sick gratification.

Poor Yogi. I live in north NJ and have friends who have "run into" him at restaurants and such and said he is the nicest person you could ever want to meet. I bet this breaks his heart, he was so proud of the Center and it did great things in the community. I hope they catch the scumbag behind this and he serves some real prison time.

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by thebigtrain

Evidence is pretty strong that the late Barry Halper commissioned and/or orchestrated thefts from the NYPL and Boston Libraries, and also municipal archives (Wills signed by HOF players etc). However, he mostly was in this game before these things achieved the sort of insane values that they now have. But it goes to show that wealthy uber-collectors are not above theft to augment their collections.

I agree that whoever did this was likely "hired" by a high-end collector, and if so, the stuff will vanish for years, maybe forever. Anyone smart enough to pull off a "professional" heist like this isn't dumb enough to start peddling this stuff via ebay or the major auction houses.

Another interesting thing is the comparisons to art thefts. Art is much more a "global" market than baseball memorabilia. I doubt a Saudi prince or French hedge-fund manager even knows or cares who Yogi Berra is, but of course they would know who Picasso is.

Hence, if it is a private collector who commissioned this theft, it is likely a wealthy, white, male, American, baby-boomer age person who wanted the stuff for their own sick gratification.

Poor Yogi. I live in north NJ and have friends who have "run into" him at restaurants and such and said he is the nicest person you could ever want to meet. I bet this breaks his heart, he was so proud of the Center and it did great things in the community. I hope they catch the scumbag behind this and he serves some real prison time.

Respectfully, I am not aware of "very strong evidence" supporting the contention that Barry Halper commissioned or orchestrated any thefts and I was under the impression that one was required to post their own name in order to make such accusations on this site

[ibuysportsephemera]

My daughter is a freshman at Montclair and I was really looking forward to visiting the museum. I hope not too much was taken.

Jeff

[6-4-3memorabilia]

I was a volunteer there from 2005 to 2007. Cant believe this happened. Yogi has had a tuff year with losing his wife and selling his home that he lived in for 40 years. Hope they catch the scum bags

[thebigtrain]

Respectfully, I am not aware of "very strong evidence" supporting the contention that Barry Halper commissioned or orchestrated any thefts and I was under the impression that one was required to post their own name in order to make such accusations on this site

Here is the article (and yes, I am aware Nash has problems, but that doesn't mean he's not correct re: Halper):

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=1465#more-1465

Halper is a proven liar. He lied to Robert Creamer and said he was pals with Jimmie Foxx when Foxx coached the U of Miami baseball team. Fact is that Foxx was already gone by the time Harper enrolled at the school, and furthermore Halper was never on the baseball team. These are verified, proven lies which Halper told re: his acquisition of the forged "500 HR" autograph sheet (the Ruth auto has also been proven a forgery and a very poor one at that. Halper told conflicting lies about how he acquired that Ruth auto).

There are many other lies Halper peddled which Nash has written about, and these lies have been verified as lies by 3rd parties. His story of acquiring 19th century unis from Ollie O'Mara has been confirmed as a lie by O'Mara's son. In fact, just about every acquisition story ever told by Halper has been proven a lie, such that one assumes the man was fundamentally dishonest and engaged in perpetuating fraud. There are way too many pieces from his collection which are traceable to NYPL and other institutions for him to have been "in the dark" about their provenance. The HOF didn't remove his name from their exhibit because of Peter Nash.

Yes, Halper is dead now, and not available to be cross-examined or held to answer for his lies. But anyone who believes he was himself "duped" or didn't know how much of his stuff was stolen or forged is simply delusional.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Respectfully, I am not aware of "very strong evidence" supporting the contention that Barry Halper commissioned or orchestrated any thefts and I was under the impression that one was required to post their own name in order to make such accusations on this site

I have seen this thread but haven't opened it in a few days. Contrary to popular belief I don't/can't read every post on the board. I was just made aware of it. The general rules of the board are pretty easy and open. Put your name by it and say almost anything (when done civilly) you want to. I just called the phone number on file for our member, thebigtrain, and it is not who he said it is. So he is gone until further notice and he proves to my satisfaction who he is AND he puts his full, real name in his posts. The phone number on file is from the 201 area code, NJ, I believe.

[Robert_Lifson]

Important clarification in case this is missed: What makes this thread so interesting in my opinion, and what I think might be lost on most readers (in the absence of this post), is that the very person who has fraudulently signed up on Net54 with a fake name and contact info with the user ID “thebigtrain” (a name obviously chosen to create confusion with longtime poster “bigtrain”) is – I personally have no doubt - none other than Peter Nash himself.

To me, this is extremely amusing. Especially this line where he refers to himself in the third person: “Nash's issues have no relevance to this debate. An arsonist can still tell you if a building is on fire or not.”


Nash currently still owes REA exactly $293,102.55 on his judgment in fraud to REA.


I look forward to collecting the balance of this fraud judgment in full (and I guarantee we will, though it may take a while) and I look forward to further helping Robert and Lisa Fraser collect their $442,511 (plus interest) fraud judgment against Peter Nash in full also. And if I can be helpful to the IRS, the State of New York (they seem to be doing pretty well on their own: http://www.albanycountyda.com/Media/...Tax_Fraud.aspx), or any other victims, I will certainly try to help them as well.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

President

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by REA

Important clarification in case this is missed: What makes this thread so interesting in my opinion............. is – I personally have no doubt - none other than Peter Nash himself...................

To me, this is extremely amusing. Especially this line where he refers to himself in the third person: “Nash's issues have no relevance to this debate. An arsonist can still tell you if a building is on fire or not.”




Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

President

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

Hi Rob,

I get the "bad blood" between you guys - I can imagine the past has been INTENSE. At the end of the day each of you are the most important ones who know and live with your own truth. Seems like a stretch without offering some more tangible proof stating that the poster is Nash. That said, I would be shocked if anyone on these boards is not familiar with the long legal battle between you and the large number of questions that have been raised around the origin and chain of ownership of a number of items as well as questions of integrity on both sides. If you stand firmly on the side of truth, I encourage you to simply direct people to the threads here where allegations have been addressed. Further, if you want to publicize your truth, just start a forum and do it. Lastly, if and when the posters identity is uncovered - if it turns out to be Nash I am sure the net 54 community will be first to "cry foul" and consider it when assessing our own confidence in his integrity.

-Howard Chasser

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by REA

Important clarification in case this is missed: What makes this thread so interesting in my opinion, and what I think might be lost on most readers (in the absence of this post), is that the very person who has fraudulently signed up on Net54 with a fake name and contact info with the user ID “thebigtrain” (a name obviously chosen to create confusion with longtime poster “bigtrain”) is – I personally have no doubt - none other than Peter Nash himself.

Only if the weasel goes pop