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1952 topps mantle psa
I feel bad for who bought into this. Was it anyone here? Beware if you did. Exact card sold in REA for $7000 in 2012 which is where scan was taken.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:AAQ:US:1123 Last edited by ezez420; 07-17-2014 at 06:51 PM. |
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Says listing has been removed.
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Link fixed
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It looks fine to me. All the diagnostics are in place (Y in Mickey almost touches the box, solid black bat). The wear is honest, centering is typical (phony cards are almost always perfectly centered, with uniformly rounded corners to suggest wear). The coloration of the face looks correct and there is no sign of frosting anywhere in the plastic holder, and it's being sold by a seller with experience in vintage.
Do you have a link to that REA auction you're talking about? Because if indeed this card is a phony, I'd be downright scared, because it's a damned good fake. |
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Photo isn't fake. It is what the buyer will get in the mail is what will be fake. The photos were taken directly from this REA auction. The seller was taking a nice loss...
http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=22203 You can see the second set of photos in the listing shows a photocopy of the card with a sticker on it. Just a warning whoever bought this be cautious. |
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Oh I see. Still I don't think that is necessarily a red flag. They may not have had the capability to take good pictures. I've posted pictures of cards I've bought, using the auction photos, because it saves me a step, and my images won't be as good anyways.
And when the buyer gets a different card, he has plenty of recourse through ebay and paypal. The real problem is when someone buys a phony card, and doesn't figure it out in time to seek recourse. And as for the circumstances of the sale...who knows? The person may have needed cash quick and sold to these people. Or maybe these sellers ARE the buyers and they tried (and failed) to flip for a profit. As for the loss? Frankly I think that first buyer overpaid. A badly centered 3.5 isn't worth $7000 to me. $5000 seems about right. I just don't think there is enough here to claim fraud, and I've rung the bell on half a dozen phony Mantles already. |
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The seller wrote to me that he was selling for someone else. That is a red flag. Someone who buys a card in REA knows the market and does not use someone else on eBay to sell it for much less than they paid. Especially that the card is worth double than what was paid.
I was going to purchase but knowing how the scam works I stayed put. I put it out there if any of you did purchase to be cautious. There isn't much buyer protection over $5000 through PayPal. Also, when you sign for it and you get a different card in the mail with the same serial number you will see. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
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Ed,
Did you peep the feedback profile? Not what I would want in the seller of a four-digit card. I'd have to agree with the hunch (which of course could be wrong) that someone who buys at REA is not going to resell his Mantle this way. That said, it's all speculation and we'll probably never know. I did not know there was little protection for the buyer in that range, nor did I know that when one signs for the parcel and gets the photocopy with the same cert in the later photos of the listing, one is basically screwed. I never dip into waters that have even a modicum of risk, and would not take the gamble on this listing, but good to know-- thanks for sharing that intel. Best, MC |
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This was the warning you get from a purchase like this from ebay:
Please note that PayPal (and some credit card companies) generally will not process payments in excess of a certain dollar amount. If the winning bid amount is above this level, it may be necessary to contact the seller to arrange other payment methods. This is not something the seller has direct control over, so please keep this in mind when providing feedback. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
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Yes I did. That was another flag. Guy that usually sells good reprints tells you something could be up. Give it a week or two and the listing will probably be removed and the guy probably wont be selling. Probably a small price to pay.
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Just checked the listing and it is now removed(it was up a few hours ago).
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