Cy Young in 8.5 on Ebay

[t206hof]

Just trying to get some opinions on a Young in GAI 8.5 on ebay right now. I have some GAI's and they seem fine. But this is a whole different ballgame being this card in such a high grade. Do any of you trust the GAI grading service with cards in this high of grade? Just curious. Thanks alot.

[Bicem]

Only if you're anti-money and pro-fraud.

[Bicem]

Also... I wouldn't trust GAI to grade my son's homework. And he's 2.

[the 'stache]

First of all, without seeing the card in person, I'd be real nervous that this card has been trimmed. The top edge cut looks funny to me.

Secondly, it looks like this card has a shill bidder. 31% of the 1,819 bids this buyer has placed have been with this same seller. And they have 141 bid retractions within the last six months.

I would never spend money on a GAI-graded card, especially a card that's going to command a high price. Proceed with extreme caution.

[Sean]

I thought the same thing about the top edge. It looks trimmed.

[botport]

If you feel this card is a candidate for resubmission I think you are really rolling the dice considering a sharp slabbed 'A' from PSA or SGC could probably be acquired for less than $500. Then again, 7's are going for over 3k so maybe you see opportunity here.

On the other hand if you leave it in a GAI holder you are going to have trouble moving the card when that time comes, at least in my opinion.

Either way, my two cents is this one is too risky.

[t206hof]

True, I looked at it as a huge risk. But if it were to go like a 7 or 8 with SGC it would be a crazy valuable card. But i think yall are right, the risk is just too much. Thanks

[Leon]

Originally Posted by t206hof

True, I looked at it as a huge risk. But if it were to go like a 7 or 8 with SGC it would be a crazy valuable card. But i think yall are right, the risk is just too much. Thanks

Consider it AUT - trimmed, and if it's a good deal in that grade then go for it.

Do I trust GAI? No.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

First of all, without seeing the card in person, I'd be real nervous that this card has been trimmed. The top edge cut looks funny to me.

Secondly, it looks like this card has a shill bidder. 31% of the 1,819 bids this buyer has placed have been with this same seller. And they have 141 bid retractions within the last six months.

I would never spend money on a GAI-graded card, especially a card that's going to command a high price. Proceed with extreme caution.

Bidder Information
Bidder: d***f( 831Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: T206 Cy Young HOF Bare Hand Cleveland Piedmont 150 GAI 8.5 " RAZOR SHARP "
Bids on this item: 2

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1840
Items bid on: 1570
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 31% Help
Bid retractions: 40
Bid retractions (6 months): 144


Rick says he keeps his auctions clean though, so I am not worried this person might be a shill.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It sure is "razor sharp" LOL.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It sure is "razor sharp" LOL.

Exacto, err i mean exactly

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Exacto, err i mean exactly

You're on the cutting edge!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bidder Information
Bidder: d***f( 831Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: T206 Cy Young HOF Bare Hand Cleveland Piedmont 150 GAI 8.5 " RAZOR SHARP "
Bids on this item: 2

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1840
Items bid on: 1570
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 31% Help
Bid retractions: 40
Bid retractions (6 months): 144


Rick says he keeps his auctions clean though, so I am not worried this person might be a shill.

How is it the big ebay auctioneers seem to find all of the collectors shillers that can't make their mind up and keep retracting?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

How is it the big ebay auctioneers seem to find all of the collectors shillers that can't make their mind up and keep retracting?

It is strange, kind of like these 3 Aaron Rogers cards. They were sold by PWCC to 3 different eBay ID's on Feb 14th now all 3 are being sold by Probstien123.
PWCC listings
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item5d4934fbec
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item5d4934fc03
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Donruss...item20df5c8bec

Same 3 cards now listed with Probstien123
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Donruss...item5405cd0980
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item58acd2072c
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item58acd20913

Seen this posted on another site and though that Rick is the best salesman ever since 3 different eBay Id's won the cards from PWCC and they all relisted them with Rick at the same time.

[smtjoy]

Nice find with these three auctions, looks to be a group of ??? accounts. Not sure if they were trying to establish a shill influenced market value for the cards to resale in. Interesting bidders-

PWCC listings
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item5d4934fbec
d....a (96) - 35%
h....a (28) - 37%
l....b (108) - 34%

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Press-P...item5d4934fc03
t....k (181) - 37%
o....o (154) - 38%
r....o (3551) - 32%

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Donruss...item20df5c8bec
l....7 (29) - 39%
1....6 (22) - 34%
t....k (181) - 37%

Humm sure makes you wonder, will be watching for any of them to bid on the these new listings.